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From The Washington Post

Recommended read for folks here who claim Muslims don't speak out against terrorism.

Hundreds of Shiite Muslims turned a major annual spiritual ritual into an anti-terrorism rally Sunday, marching, singing and praying for hours from trendy Dupont Circle to the White House as tourists and brunch-goers rubbernecked.

Connecticut Avenue was a sea of black as Shiites mostly from the D.C. region waved banners with the name of their spiritual forefather, Imam Hussein, and pounded their chests with their fists simultaneously as an expression of mourning. His martyrdom 1,400 years ago is a major part of Shiite narrative and a defining event in the break between Shiite and Sunni Muslims, and is marked annually. A few days ago, more than 22 million Shiites and others visited the Iraqi city of Karbala in a pilgrimage to the place where Hussein died.

But this year the event twinned as a peace march. Muslims — including head-covered women, young children and hipsters with man buns on hoverboards — held signs condemning terrorism and the Islamic State and handed out hot chocolate and doughnuts in an effort to open conversations with passersby.



Some American Muslim groups and prominent U.S. Muslims have been making extra public efforts since the recent terrorism-related killings in San Bernardino, Calif., to speak against the Islamic State terrorist group, which is also known as ISIS, and radical Islamists.


“What’s happening now is we feel even more compelled to come out of our homes,” said Zehra Raza, 27, an electrical engineer from Alexandria, Va., who was at the rally with her husband.

The crowd was smaller than in past years, she and others said, because many Muslims were afraid of being harassed or targeted with violence. Such incidents have been on the rise. Many police officers were on hand, and there were no obvious protests against the rally.

When the crowd arrived at Lafayette Park across from the White House, tourists pulled out their cellphones. One group from Poland attempted in broken English to explain to a pair from Colombia what was going on.

“Some [Muslims] were afraid, but I think this is the perfect time to come out and stand with people who are oppressed. ISIS is the same as what Hussein was fighting 1,400 years ago,” Raza said.

ISIS has persecuted Shiites — among other religious minorities — in Syria and Iraq, called them infidels and killed them.


As Raza spoke, and offered strangers Krispy Kreme doughnuts, a woman from outside the group approached her to offer support and give her a hug. “God bless. Or whomever bless — the universe bless,” the woman said as she walked away.

Many of the signs echoed the views of marchers — that Shiites are victims of ISIS, and in particular of the Wahhabi branch of Islam that dominates Saudi Arabia. The front row of the marchers was a phalanx of young boys holding posterboards with words such as “Americans unite against Wahhabi terrorism,” “Muslims against ISIS” and “American Shia Muslims stand with the victims of San Bernardino.”

Ali Alkhafa, 23, a University of Maryland student who grew up in California but was born in a Saudi refugee camp, said Muslim Americans are hindered from being a louder voice against terrorism by their own internal divisions.

“Muslims aren’t as vocal as we need to be,” he said as the sound of men thumping their chests punctuated the air. “It’s cultural. We’re welcoming but not as open to one another as we should be. My folks’ generation are still isolated [by ethnic group], but my generation is really open.”

The crowd appeared conservative. Men and women marched mostly separately, and women’s heads were covered. However, participants said they were more ideologically diverse, and were deferring to the more traditional gestures out of respect for one another. In the mix were convenience store managers, emergency room doctors and chemistry teachers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/shia-muslims-hold-antiterrorism-rally-in-washington/2015/12/06/03b2bf80-9c81-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html?tid=sm_fb
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MSG Tim Gray
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I found the disparity between Shia and Sunni sects very interesting, I guess because it was unexpected for me. I do remember the Sunni , being the more vocal of the two.
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CPT Ahmed Faried Thank you for the link. I had not seen this in the three newspapers I read. The link immediately went to multiple friends of mine!
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lol that is odd and you are welcome CSM Charles Hayden
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thank you for posting CPT Ahmed Faried.
I understand why Shia Muslim leaders and adherents are against the wahhabi form of Islam. Sunni Muslims by and large consider Shia to be out of the primary fold of Islam since they hold to the hereditary lineage of Islam [similar in some ways to Roman Catholicism - elections of Popes is similar to election of Ayatollahs ] and other doctrinal differences.
Sunni Muslims have clashed with Shia Muslims in Iraq for decades and in Yemen more recently.
If Sunni Muslims ever get to the point of denouncing terrorism in the name of islam it would be wonderful. I do not expect Sunni leaders and adherents to take that step. Fringe Muslim groups such as Druze, Yazidi, etc. can well be expected to speak out against wahhabi islam because like teh Shia they have been killed by wahhabi adherents fro over a century.
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Wahabis by and large exist, are tolerated and championed in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. these two nations also happen to be our "Ally". Interesting how that works.
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LTC Stephen F.
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CPT Ahmed Faried - I know that wahabi doctrine adherents are both anathema to the Saudi Royal family and yet they have infiltrated the Saudi National Guard over the decades.
As far as I know the wahabi doctrine adherents in Pakistan seem to be dominant in the northwest territory and the border areas of Pakistan with Afghanistan.
I expect that the wahabi doctrine adherents are so fiercely against the Saudi's is because that family was lifted to rulership after WWI specifically because of their assistance role in WWI. This breeds resentment in more than teh wahhabis in Saudi Arabia. Pakistan has a more recent history as a nation and was formed in the brutal civil war of India. Since Pakistan was formed around a belief instead of a family it is harder for wahhabis to form a personal hatred and they resort fighting against the established institutions of Pakistan.
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Wahhabis are the only reason the House of Saud gained, and has maintained their position as the Royal Family. Without the alliance King Salman would be gone quickly.
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MSgt James Mullis
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Its a good start. Now all we need is for the these folks and the rest of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims to swear off religious violence (Shia, Sunni, Salafis, Wahabis, etc). Personally I'm praying for a world wide Muslim Peace Movement similar to the Reformation of the Christian World in the 16th Century. I say no more deaths based minute differences in religious belief and how you physically choose to pray.
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lol yes all 1.6 billion of us are pro religious violence...
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MSgt James Mullis
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CPT Ahmed Faried - That's not what I said or even meant to imply. However, You can't argue that a peace accord between the Sunni and Shia would put an end to the majority of wartime deaths in the world today. Throw in an encyclical against killing non muslims and you'ld practically have peace on earth.

Wouldn't it be great to see Sunni Mosques across the street from Shia Mosques as you have Baptist Churches, Catholic Churches and Jewish Temples in America? It will only happen if that 1.6 billion Muslims insist on Peace.
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MSgt James Mullis
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You're welcome and may Allah grant you patience, wisdom and kindness.
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CPT Ahmed Faried
I just posted similar stories in a different thread. Thanks.
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Oops, it didn't show in the similar topics thing when I was about to post this. An admin will merge them anyway Sir.
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No worries. I posted as a comment, not an actual topic.
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Please share the thread, I would like to read it.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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Denouncing and rallying is a good first step. Now what are they actually going to DO about it...?
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CPT Ahmed Faried - I think what irks most Americans about the Muslim community is the perceived lack of conviction in fighting Islamic extremism. When there is an event perpetrated by Islamic terrorists, there is no immediate or overwhelming condemnation. The perception is quite the opposite. The perception is that the Muslim community in general circles the wagons instead of calling out their own. And when there IS a rally, the numbers attending are underwhelming. Quite honestly, the gold standard for me of a minority under the microscope is the attitude and actions of the Nisei community during WW2. The level of persecution that they faced after Pearl Harbor is far and away greater in orders of magnitude than what Muslim Americans face today (hell they were put into concentration camps for God's sake). Yet they took a far more active and visible role in supporting the nation and expressing the fact that they were loyal citizens regardless of the persecution they received. Saying that, I want to see Muslim Americans take a much more active and visible role in helping us not only track down and remove extremists but to prevent radicalization in the first place. Until non-Muslim Americans see Muslim Americans as full partners in this and NOT as potential assailants, we are not going to improve the situation for all parties.
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CPT Ahmed Faried
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A rally is a good step. I am sure it isn't the only one of its kind ever and I also hope there are actions behind the scene to counteract extremists as well as rallies that look on tv or in print media.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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CPT Ahmed Faried - I'm sure there is some actions going on behind the scenes, but honestly, like I stated in my other post, the general perception is that there is a lack of conviction amongst the Muslim-American community.
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LTC Paul Labrador - An incorrect one, but i get it Sir.
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A1C Charles D Wilson
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SMH. I respect all religions and could care less. Islam, Christian, Catholic, etc. Being Native American and having lost most of our history here on the east coast we all have tried to help and be peaceful. This is eye opening as was Christianity and other religions that was introduced to our people but a faith into any religion that calls for hurt or pain upon anyone to me is just wrong. The KJ Bible had its issues in the old testaments and the new testaments made a difference. Maybe the Islam Koran needs to have and update to support positive feeds and start the second testament for the Koran. With all the leaders of the religion they should make the move. Peace is all that we want. I am very wary about anything Islamic right now due to seeing post from Muslims about controlling this nation to conquering this nation this includes Facebook to YouTube.
We have tried for years to get along with others and we do not demand anything of anyone other than respect the land and do not take from it what is not offered to you. That is where we are now with pollution and so called global warming (That comes in cycles). I do not know. I am not here to deny or disrupt this ideology but just like all religions that is what it is. To me I set back scratching my head and saying or thinking .. who do I follow? Why do I follow?
Respect to all and have a blessed day.

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Why would some muslims in America be upset that the potus asked the muslim community to help root out extremism. Do they have similar beliefs?

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/08/458869660/some-muslim-americans-irritated-by-obamas-call-for-them-to-root-out-extremism
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CPT Ahmed Faried
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Or you can read the article you posted where they explain their reason. Thanks for this attempt at a counterpoint to my post though..
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What is wrong with what BO asked? It's people like Ahmed Hahsy, mentioned in the article, that I have deep respect for. And you thought I didn't read it...

"Now, I have an ask," he said. "It is an ask of the people in this room and all Muslims across the country. Terrorist organizations overseas have targeted your communities. They seek to pull your youth into the pit of violent extremism. Help us to help you stop this."
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Rough call on this one... there is a level of expectation, any organization regardless of who or what they were about, had a group within the group pulling off what some of these “extremist” are performing; that organization would speak up and source intervention to prevent further issues.
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Cpl Jeff N.
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That is good to see and hopefully there will be more of it. Actions need to follow the words. Fellow muslims need to report people in their midst that are advocating jihad or violence against citizens as a viable course of action. If that start happening that will go a long way in assuaging concerns folks have about the relative quiet on the issue.

Shia and Sunni's do not see eye to eye on much. As ISIS is Sunni it is easy for the Shia to call out the adversary inside their faith (much akin to protestants calling out Catholics). I am not saying this isn't a good thing to see but there is some context to consider as well.
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ok..
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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CPT Ahmed F. Outstanding. God/Allah Bless the Persians.
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