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I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
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Per the regulation...Yes...I know it was weird for me coming from the enlisted side, I saw a 1LT and would call them "Sir" or "Ma'am" but was quickly told..."We are both LTs, so just relax"....I really doubt any 1LT out there expects a 2LT to salute...but I am sure there is one.
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Answer: Undoubtedly YES. Honestly I find young Lieutenants apprehension towards saluting annoying (when it exists) and undermining of both principal and tradition. With respect I find that there is much indiscipline within the Officer Corps and it makes many of us sick. I hear time and again especially from field grade Officers that NCO's do a piss poor job of policing the ranks. Then those same individuals are the ones walking to their car with no headgear and hands in their pockets. Or, more on topic, the same field grade Officer that will acknowledge you as you march by but does not return your salute. Yes there is much indiscipline in the enlisted ranks and NCO corps as well, but Officers are a constant example. Always a leader, it gets tiring seeing the Soldier who is supposed to be a vision of discipline wonder why the giant list of rules only applies to them and not the Commanders they are supposed to look up to.
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Again, Sir, with respect, I did not express disdain for my leadership specifically. I addressed the question and the general attitude that accompanies regulation being one thing and practice being another. I suppose I may not understand this, and although I'm not sure which subject indicates confusion, I genuinely appreciate your feedback Sir.
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Well I sincerely thank you for explaining it that way, and appreciate you taking the time Sir. It does make sense and I have gained perspective for sure. On a lighter note, go Mizzou!
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Yes! I grew up in Columbia, and after my first enlistment I left the military and applied to ROTC at MU. In the long run, however, I decided to continue my education but remain on the Non-Com side. I prefer this career scope and influence to the other, although I would rather the alternate pay scale. Sometimes I wonder, but there are many experiences I would never have wished alternatively. Although I did not graduate Miz, my brothers are both alum and I plan on returning for a grad program.
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As far as the 1st Lt and 2nd Lt being the same rank- do they get paid the same? If a 2nd Lt commits a UCMJ level offense against the 1st Lt. Would they be tried at the same rank? I think not. As far as it being an Army tradition, that may be so, but there is a difference between informal practice and regulations. In a lot of military units personnel don't wear covers (hats) outdoors even though it is DOD policy (I see it all the time on JBLM). <div><br></div>
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Butter Bars Should simply be ignored. EM as well as Officers. Just saying. LOL
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A "butter bar" should salute everyone!!!!<div><br></div><div>j.k. yes a 1LT is a rank higher than you. </div>
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You always Salute an officer no matter what rank he or she is for Respect and Honor and yes a time honored tradition. I think LTC Gene Shewbert made a valid point about it. Yes I was a NCO and encounter the fresh LT and instead of thinking oh boy here we again, helped him or her understand the ways that things got done so we could function as a TEAM not a dead end street and just banging heads.
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It is a custom and a courtesy. There should be no question.
Of note, I certainly enjoy this discussion. What an outstanding site this Rallypoint. I would challenge some of you Command Officers to implement discussion and development sessions like this across your ranks. Never could I imagine seeing the entire Army rank structure have a discussion about any subject.
Pleased!
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