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I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
Officers
Customs and Courtesies
Army
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AR 600-25
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1. Different rank, different grade, different pay.
Yes, a 2LT should salute a 1LT except under certain established conditions. Stating that they are both lieutenants is like saying all Sgts are the same, all Generals are the same, all Airmen and Privates are the same. It's a rediculous statement.besides 2nd LTs should salute everyone..lol
Yes, a 2LT should salute a 1LT except under certain established conditions. Stating that they are both lieutenants is like saying all Sgts are the same, all Generals are the same, all Airmen and Privates are the same. It's a rediculous statement.besides 2nd LTs should salute everyone..lol
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When I was 2LT, I saluted a 1LT and he told me not to because we are peers. Now that I am 1LT, I do not ask the 2LTs to salute me, but if any 2LT salute me, I salute him/her back.
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Regs are regs....if there is an exception to the rule that makes this legal, then were is the proof? Personally, I don't care if LTs don't salute...I just want to see the proof or is this just a bunch of BS to justify a myth? I cannot find an acceptation to the rule. Is it stated in one of the Officer manuals? If it is going to be continued, then I would suggest one of you officers submit a change to the regulations so that it is included in the next update.
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GySgt William Hardy
The only proof is what you say in your arguments and not everyone, including some of your fellow officers agree. I just asked where is it stated they are the same? Everything I see including the difference in their insignia of rank shows a difference. Just quote me a reference I may look up. Regardless of whether any of us agree or disagree, back up you thesis with a valid reference, even if it is a handbook that officers use.
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No disrespect intended MAJ Ballinger but if you read the AR you cited it will tell you that who is required to salute and when. And the document that defines seniority is the same document that gives you your authority as a commander. They read it at your change of command. By the authority of para 3-1b AR 600-20... There are many sources out there. I believe that's what the good SFC was asking for, one source or written document that was contrary to what we know to exist. That may put this argument to bed. But until then we have to use what we have. All subordinates are to render a proper salute when appropriate to superior officers.
Now on a different note if you all are not going to follow regulations on this matter just say so. But what do you say to the private who tells you he didn't salute the XO (1LT) because the PL (2LT) just walked by him right in front of him didn't salute him and didn't say anything more than good morning Joe.
Good order and discipline we've got to have it.
Now on a different note if you all are not going to follow regulations on this matter just say so. But what do you say to the private who tells you he didn't salute the XO (1LT) because the PL (2LT) just walked by him right in front of him didn't salute him and didn't say anything more than good morning Joe.
Good order and discipline we've got to have it.
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How’s
this for a curve ball for the thread that won’t seem to end. In the autobiography, Scars of a Soldier, Vernon Heppe’s True story. PFC Heppe, a World War II veteran, fought
all through the Pacific theater and was in continuous combat from 1943 to 1945.
PFC Heppe was awarded the Silver Star, Purple Heart (3rd OLC), and
CIB. PFC Heppe wrote in his memoir that upon returning to States to out-process from the Army,
Soldiers in his unit would not salute Lieutenants who had not been to combat.
this for a curve ball for the thread that won’t seem to end. In the autobiography, Scars of a Soldier, Vernon Heppe’s True story. PFC Heppe, a World War II veteran, fought
all through the Pacific theater and was in continuous combat from 1943 to 1945.
PFC Heppe was awarded the Silver Star, Purple Heart (3rd OLC), and
CIB. PFC Heppe wrote in his memoir that upon returning to States to out-process from the Army,
Soldiers in his unit would not salute Lieutenants who had not been to combat.
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Wow, that in interesting. I have never heard of that. I can say that as a prior service officer I am not viewed the same as other 2LTs. I found it funny when I was at Ranger school the LTs would always be viewed as idiots. A lot of times it was just. I made a comment when an issue came up and the reply was that I was not an officer but a prior service guy. I was viewed as an extension of my prior service and not just as a LT.
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Yes, as outlined in regulation. Does it happen that often, No. I think it comes down to the fact that 2LTs and 1LTs are in the same peer group typically.
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CPT Marc Serrá
I think that depends on the unit. In my unit, I saluted as a 2LT and was saluted as a 1LT. Yes, we were in the same peer group, but when in uniform, on post, and especially around others (superiors or subordinates), it was always done.
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It's the same concept as a specialist and a corporal. The corporal out ranks the specialist therefore the specialist stands at parade rest. The 2LT should salute the 1LT.
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The junior should always salute the senior first, but out of mutual respect for each other, it really does not matter who salutes first.
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