570
562
8
I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
Officers
Customs and Courtesies
Army
Saluting
AR 600-25
Edited 11 y ago
Posted 12 y ago
Responses: 1296
0
0
0
After becoming a 1st Lt, I expected 2d Lts to salute me since I out ranked them. I made sure to salute 1st Lts when I was a 2d Lts since O-2s out rank O-1s, even if they were friends of mine. When I was in Afghanistan, a 2LT I worked with would not salute me for the belief of a LT was a LT, regardless of O-1 or O-2. My section NCO would get frustrated when she did not see the 2LT render a salute.
(0)
(0)
0
0
0
The funny thing about this entire thread to me is that these same people who continue to correlate the fact that LTs don't salute each other as a GROSS VIOLATION OF STANDARDS would probably be very upset if they were pulled over by an MP going 36 in 35, would try to get out the the ticket, and call the MP a douchebag if the MP ENFORCED THE STANDARD! Lol and for the record, yes that MP would definitely be a douchebag
(0)
(0)
CPT (Join to see)
That is a major factor that I pointed out in the Enlisted version of this question. Some point out that this is a black and white issue when in fact it is really not so clear. We always don't follow the regs. But if you violate one of them that we hold so dear you better watch out. I can see I have learned a lot about the perception of enlisted vs officer in this question.
(0)
(0)
0
0
0
The 2nd Lt being junior should render a salute to the senior officer that being a 1st Lt. That is basic military customs and courtesies.
(0)
(0)
0
0
0
0
0
0
I would say that it is plain and simple...yes! I'm sure we have all heard the time old saying, "Respect the Rank, not the individual"
(0)
(0)
0
0
0
Once you quote an AR, AFI, or any other service reg there should not be a discussion. The answer is yes, respect the custom, and render a good salute.
(0)
(0)
MAJ (Join to see)
the AR clearly says salute recognized superior officers. O2 is senior to O1. if there was no difference then why the pay grade difference. by that rationale there is no difference between MAJs, LTCs and COLs, though I imagine most COLs would disagree
(0)
(0)
MAJ (Join to see)
with all due respecr, that's crap. a CPT with 31 days more TIM is still a CPT. they are the same rank and the regular says they don't have to salute. a 1LT and a 2LT ate NOT the same rank (SEE THE NUMBERS SHOW YOU THE DIFFERENCE) and so the junior must salute the senior. "Accepted"? Where? Show me one document? Show me a division book of standards. They regarding clearly states. Everything else is supposition and contrary to UCMJ
(0)
(0)
MAJ (Join to see)
it is my opinion that you are mixing apples and oranges. time in grade only matters among service members of the same rank. and service members of the same rank do not salute each other. a 2LT and a 1LT are not of the same rank or pay grade. As for my experience, I was a non commissioned officer for 10 years and have been an Officer for 12. with the exception of PA school and my current assignment and a trauma instructor, every second of that has been on the line with infantry, artillery or cavalry. I get the sideways insult you are trying to infer, that because I'm medical I don't know how the real army works, but I beg to differ. the army is the same wherever you go. discipline is based off an adherence to a standard set of rules and regulations that are in black and white. junior rank respects senior rank. junior officers salute senior officers. and I haven't taken the time to sit down and cut and paste the reguLatin because I don't work in an office and I've been doing all this by phone since I am on a mobile training team training your medics to save lives on the battlefield. I am currently on ft hood...today...as we speak and of fly enough I watched two 2LT salute a 1LT outside the shoppette on TJ Mills. apparently they haven't received the "ignore rank" memo
(0)
(0)
0
0
0
A 1LT. is subordinate to a 2LT. A 1LT is what rank you get from O.C.S.. I recall that one is gold, and one silver. Under the U.C.M.J. the 1st is required to Salute all Senior Officers.
(0)
(0)
CWO3 Cleve Arrington
As I recall, a member wearing 1-bar generally, ever salutes another a fellow 1-bar officer; however, when the senior 1-bar is in a 'command' person, such as a XO or CO position, then a salute is rendered.
(0)
(1)
Sgt (Join to see)
A second lt is the junior rank to a 1st lt. Yes, a 2nd lt would salute a 1st lt because it is a senior ranking officer.
(0)
(0)
0
0
0
0
0
0
If you expect NCO and other enlisted to respect the athourity then you need to. Lead by example not, Do as I say not as I do. Becuse then people start thinking sould Majors saluet Lt. Cor. or Lt Commanders saluet Commanders.
(0)
(0)
CPT (Join to see)
What is odd here is that it seems only the Army has an issue with this. As with you; most of the sister services see this as black and white.
(0)
(0)
LCpl Charles Ross
Now That's the truth. It's always the Army that questions, what's been in forge, for 239 plus years. What does it say to do when confronting an Officer of any Grade ??? When in doubt always salute!!
(1)
(0)
0
0
0
I see that this post is seven months old, and I don't have time to scroll through all of the responses to check for redundancy. So here goes:
To answer the question of how I feel about this, I agree with you Sir.
I also have a question for you though, how many times did you correct those other 2LT's who did not salute a 1LT? I have heard it said that an officer is ready for the next rank when they are able to effectively put their peers in check. Are you stepping up and squaring away your peers? If so, I applaud you. If not, I have some words of mentorship. You are a Senior Leader in the United States Army, and as a Senior NCO, I expect you to make those corrections, just as you (especially as a PL or Cdr) would expect your NCO's to. Do the right thing and you will earn the respect of your seniors, peers, and subordinates alike!
To answer the question of how I feel about this, I agree with you Sir.
I also have a question for you though, how many times did you correct those other 2LT's who did not salute a 1LT? I have heard it said that an officer is ready for the next rank when they are able to effectively put their peers in check. Are you stepping up and squaring away your peers? If so, I applaud you. If not, I have some words of mentorship. You are a Senior Leader in the United States Army, and as a Senior NCO, I expect you to make those corrections, just as you (especially as a PL or Cdr) would expect your NCO's to. Do the right thing and you will earn the respect of your seniors, peers, and subordinates alike!
(0)
(0)
CPT (Join to see)
I do question other 2LTs when they don't salute. It is so rare to see a 2LT do such an act that I think I am the only one. I still continue on with I know. In the O side of the house it is uncommon to perform a on the spot correction for such an act. As an 1LT, which will be as soon as my packet clears DA, I would not expect a 2LT to salute. If should we would see every SGT stand at parade rest for a SSG and every soldier greet an NCO when passing by. These are courtesies that are not commonly practiced.
(0)
(0)
Read This Next
Continue with Facebook 
Continue with Google