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I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
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AR 600-25
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As a brand new butter ball at the Infantry School, Fr. Benning GA, having grown up fat, dumb and happy in the Army community of communities as an Army brat and was now authorized to salute in a military manner, legally, I went out of my way to salute anything that walked. I would initiate honors with a Pvt..Joe Shit, the rag picker and wait for his response just for the pleasure of holding a salute and receiving a response. Mission Accomplished,
So, if this is really an issue for anyone on the federal payroll as a sworn republican soldier, s/he needs to review their options, ambitions and opportunities on a civilian career path. Saluting is the act of pure pleasure in the Profession of Arms. As a vet, it breaks my heart I can't salute, legally, but I do, anyway. It's a way of keeping the faith with my dad, who taught me how to salute.
So, if this is really an issue for anyone on the federal payroll as a sworn republican soldier, s/he needs to review their options, ambitions and opportunities on a civilian career path. Saluting is the act of pure pleasure in the Profession of Arms. As a vet, it breaks my heart I can't salute, legally, but I do, anyway. It's a way of keeping the faith with my dad, who taught me how to salute.
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It is tradition that all officers, warrants, and enlisted salute the officers above them regardless of rank. We all raised our right hand and swore and oath to do so. This regulation has been here for over two hundred years and it should not change regardless of feelings. If the army wanted its soldiers to have feelings they would have issued them ones.
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SSG Alvin Amezquita
Yes. And pushing out there and see if others can assist. Good dude it's unfortunate what's happening to him. SSG (Join to see) -
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Same situation...an E4 Specialist stands at parade rest for an E4 Corporal...it's out of respect for the rank and the person
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It's all about respect...not just for the senior soldier or officer, but as I see it....self respect as well.
Live with honor.
Live with honor.
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The Army I was in , this wouldn't even be a question. Didn't know this modern military had option to follow regulations.. Geez.
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CPT Larry Hudson
When did this becom a relevant question within the ranks? Has espre de corps and military protocol been so degenerated that before proper salutes are rendered a general vote has to be taken to salute or not salute? Military needs to get its " gig line" straight and get back to the duty of professional soldiers with all the traditions and customs restored for the good of all ranks bestowed upon its members.
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BLUF: If you follow the regulation you won't be wrong. However......
When I was a 2LT, it was explained to me that LTs don't salute each other because there is minimal distinction between the two ranks (the language from a seasoned Infantry CSM was more colorful); however, were one in a designated leadership position -- Company Command, for example -- you salute as a sign of respect to the position (and hopefully the person!). Having said that, there is support in the regulation to support saluting anyone of higher rank, and technically 1LT outranks 2LT. Most of the time, though, you and the other LTs (1 or 2) will be trying to survive, not put your foot in your mouth, lose anything expensive or lose a troop that you'll not recognize the difference in day to day life (except in circumstances mentioned above). The distinction becomes absolutely cut and dry when CPT rank is pinned on -- there isn't the same congeniality between LTs of any ilk and a CPT -- salutes then are compulsory, and most of the time deserved. You will find, though, that in cases of advanced courses where 1LTs and CPTs are in the same class, many of the instructors will forego the strict adherence to military regulation to foster learning and open discussion and sharing ideas.
When I was a 2LT, it was explained to me that LTs don't salute each other because there is minimal distinction between the two ranks (the language from a seasoned Infantry CSM was more colorful); however, were one in a designated leadership position -- Company Command, for example -- you salute as a sign of respect to the position (and hopefully the person!). Having said that, there is support in the regulation to support saluting anyone of higher rank, and technically 1LT outranks 2LT. Most of the time, though, you and the other LTs (1 or 2) will be trying to survive, not put your foot in your mouth, lose anything expensive or lose a troop that you'll not recognize the difference in day to day life (except in circumstances mentioned above). The distinction becomes absolutely cut and dry when CPT rank is pinned on -- there isn't the same congeniality between LTs of any ilk and a CPT -- salutes then are compulsory, and most of the time deserved. You will find, though, that in cases of advanced courses where 1LTs and CPTs are in the same class, many of the instructors will forego the strict adherence to military regulation to foster learning and open discussion and sharing ideas.
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So this has been a no brainer up till now. The salute is a time honor event which is rendered out of respect. The Army I served under kept things simple stupid. A recommended solution is to alleviate this problem eliminate the 1st Lieutenant rank and keep one rank lieutenant.
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Acoording to regs, you do, yes.
Just be an officer and a gentleman, and salute. Out of respect, no reason to feel diminished.
Just be an officer and a gentleman, and salute. Out of respect, no reason to feel diminished.
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