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I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
Officers
Customs and Courtesies
Army
Saluting
AR 600-25
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If the 2LT has class and is confident of himself he should salute. It shows an awareness of respect of rank and reflects well on the junior officer no matter what the response.
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The regulation is the regulation... A salute needs to be rendered. But not because the regulation says you have to, but for respect for the rank. The 1LT (probably a PL or staff guy) is starting to lead in the wrong direction and if/when his feet start getting held to the fire for problems either in the platoon or shop it's going to be harder for him to gain a command type authority from the rest of the guys to fix it. At the same time he's letting the 2LT slip by with it and starts setting him up for failure if not a rocky start when he's placed in those same shoes. I'm not saying they don't work well together but it's a visible sign that puts off false expectations to everybody else.
But I bet he gets upset when he gets promoted and the new 2LT gives him the same speech about saluting.
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Very true. I see it as a respect issue somewhat but more of a setting the example also.
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Render the salute - its called for, its tradition and its part of the officer corps experience - do it.
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Simple answer is Yes, You don't have to Respect the Person, but you do have to Respect the Rank.
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I wish it were that simple but we officers make everything so hard. We don't really start mastering the compass until about a year at a unit.
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Sir it really is that simple. If I was to walk by you in uniform would you expect me to Salute? If we was walking together and walked passed a PVT would you expect him to salute you? Or we walked by a 1LT he would expect us to salute. I have corrected several people for not saluting a 2LT or a WO1. Because it is the standard set in Regulations. It is my Job as well as every one to enforce these standards. While the 1LT may not expect you to salute you do any way. Cause that PVT/SGT, who ever watching see's you pay the respect and do the same. They see you blow him off and they end up doing the same to some one.
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Doctrine is written in white and black Sir. You know the standard and what's right. Enforce discipline not matter what others do or fail to do. When you compromise on things the first time; it is easier to find a reason to do it again, and that's how "double" standards start to happen.
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Yes, a 1LT does out rank a 2LT. As leaders they must set the example at all times! Our lower enlisted need to know their leaders are doing what's right regardless of the circumstances!
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I agree that the 2nd lt should salute a first lt, not only is it required, but person-ably i would think it is just not only the correct way but also a way to show respect for the higher rank. It's a smart move to salute.
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In the Air Force it's pretty standard for 2LTs to salute 1LTs. I work in a school house unit that conducts technical training for Officers, and I've never seen the 2LTs fail to render proper C&C to any ranking officer.
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I'll answer this question with a question. Does a Captain salute a Major? Does a Major salute a LTC? I'm sure the answer is yes. Therefore, a 2LT is required to salute a 1LT. On the enlisted side, an E-5 SGT has to go to parade rest when either addressing or being addressed by a SSG. In my company, my Platoon Sergeant who is a SFC, goes to parade rest when addressing or being addressed by our 1SG. It's basic military knowledge.
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