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I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
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AR 600-25
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One more piece of advice - especially since reading here that even soldiers are unclear as to what the regs say in black and white: I learned this from my recruiter (who is also my best friend(of 27 years)'s dad):
"When in doubt: Salute!"
It's better to get giggled at for saluting a private than get embarrassed (by ass-chewing or losing credibility or setting a bad example) for not saluting an O-grade above yours.
"When in doubt: Salute!"
It's better to get giggled at for saluting a private than get embarrassed (by ass-chewing or losing credibility or setting a bad example) for not saluting an O-grade above yours.
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Based on some of the comments on this thread, here is an article that I encourage folks to read concerning the topic. Colonel Rearick in my opinion, hits the nail on the head with this article.
Lets break the cycle of following unwritten rules and cherry picking what rules to follow
I often have the privilege of talking to groups of young officers and enlisted on a broad range of subjects. The one question I get most often is, "What is the key to a successful Air Force career?" T...
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SSG Robert Burns
Perfect! I think that article is consistent with the pattern you see in this thread! Thank you for that.
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In my career, only once did I see this as a requirement despite the AR. There once was a DIVARTY Commander in the 101st ABN that not only wanted 2LT to salute 1LT...he would send Mr. Vice into the coat room of the O-Club to count the hats...the Blues saucer hat that many did not buy...during our formal Dining In's. A complete jerk in my opinion. He would get his joey out of screwing with all of the officers in the DIVARTY. Times when he would start screwing with people...and he did often...at these formal functions, we would all burst out and start singing Rendezvous With Destiny, the Division song and he would have to stop and sing along. It really pissed him off. I'll spar his name....1995 DIVARTY Commander.
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SSG Robert Burns
http://www.goodfellow.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123204054
I often have the privilege of talking to groups of young officers and enlisted on a broad range of subjects. The one question I get most often is, "What is the key to a successful Air Force career?" T...
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sorry all, I disagree, if someone out ranks you, they out rank you. A 2nd Lt PL, is still out ranked by a 1st Lt, now your putting symantics in it.
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Regs are regs....I don't see where the issue is here, subordinates are to salute their seniors. The problem that's causing this is that those who have the seniority that are seeing this aren't enforcing it. A senior enlisted (E-7 to E-9) can't tell a 2LT what he's SUPPOSED to do (God have mercy if it was a PVT making the same mistake lol), so it falls on the higher ranking officers. We have a saying in the Corrections world, "if you see it and do nothing, you're just as guilty."
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SSG Maurice P.
MY CORRECTIONAL BROTHER whats up,how is the job here at Angola its rodeo month so its stressful...
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would a LTC not salute a COL? I mean, they are both Colonels right? one is just heavier than the other?<br>
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Sgt Packy Flickinger
I agree SGT Thomas. A 1LT earned the right to be saluted by a 2nd LT. Just like a lowly PFC is above a private, a 1st is above a 2nd.
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1LT Nick Kidwell, no offense intended sir, but I feel it is because of the interpersonal attitudes of many officers. In the enlisted side, you will never hear one NCO call another by his first name in front of other Soldiers, or generally even in the unit footprint. But in so many instances, I have seen Officers calling each other on first name basis and I feel that leads to situations of laxness. For the Army to be "moving back to basics" it cannot only be the enlisted to make that transition. Officers want to lead from the front, then by god, Sir, take that first step.
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SGT Thomas Sullivan
"Do as I write in the regulation, not as I do." - The motto of the Military Commissioned Officer.
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Capt Jeff S.
SGT Thomas Sullivan To the foolish, every utterance of nonsense seems like wisdom. -- Martino, Joseph P
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Sir, I think a 2LT should salute a 1LT, no matter what. From what i have seen posted is its about the standard. When I am serving in a Law Enforcement capacity or as we say on duty, I am under arms and still have to render a salute unless it interferes with my routine work.
i. Salutes are not
required to be rendered or returned when the senior or subordinate, or both are
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(1) In civilian attire.
(2) Engaged in routine work if the salute would
interfere.
(3) Carrying articles with both hands so occupied as to
make saluting impracticable.
(5) In public places such as theaters, churches, and in
public conveyances.
(6) In the ranks of a formation.
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SSG Kevin McCulley
I can't believe this is even a question. It contributes significantly to the enlisted perspective that officers feel the rules don't apply to them.
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Does it make a difference that, as far as our NATO allies are concerned, 1LTs and 2LTs are the same rank?
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MAJ (Join to see)
after starting my military career in 1980 and now weeks from retirement I see this question can be answered by another question. Is the 1LT trying to be a buddy or has the LT ingrained the military lifestyle of being a leader where the LT is preparing for moving up in the rank structure as he or she sets a proper example? Being a leader is not a popularity contest and our system deserves leaders. 30 years ago this would not be a question.
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This goes back to respect. In FM 7-21.13 The Soldiers Guide it explains that the salute is a courtesy of respect. If an E-5 is in a Squad Leader position and is talking to an E-6 Squad Leader for the first time he should stand at Parade Rest. This shuold especially be held true in front of other soldiers. Appereance is perception. Then the perception that the E-6 does not require a parade rest will be passed onto the soldiers. Before you know it the soldiers are swearing and talking with their hands. Do the right thing and you will not get hung up in such a situation.
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