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I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
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For this particular question, I'd have to say, "It depends," because it is truly situational. When I was a Second Lieutenant in the 82nd Airborne Division in 1990-1991, the First Lieutenants did not allow us to salute them. Any attempt to do so by a new 2LT was quickly stopped by the 1LT saying something like, "Put your arm down, cherry, we're all LT's." But after that, the 1LT's always went out of their way to help the 2LT's. In general, the 1LT's were keenly aware that they didn't have that much more experience than a 2LT, and that all LT's needed mentoring by the leaders who did have a lot of experience: the Platoon Sergeants, Section NCOIC's, and Jumpmasters in the battalion. So the 1LT's were very good about steering 2LT's toward the specific NCO's who could teach them particular lessons.
That being said, I can see it being different elsewhere. For example, in the 82nd in the early 1990's, I never saw a 1LT serving as a company commander, because the Division was very strict about company commanders being Officer Advanced Course (OAC) graduates. However, if a given company did have a 1LT commanding it, I'd expect to see the PL's and XO's saluting that 1LT just as they would a CPT.
That being said, I can see it being different elsewhere. For example, in the 82nd in the early 1990's, I never saw a 1LT serving as a company commander, because the Division was very strict about company commanders being Officer Advanced Course (OAC) graduates. However, if a given company did have a 1LT commanding it, I'd expect to see the PL's and XO's saluting that 1LT just as they would a CPT.
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We've all had the kind of officers to whom we rendered a salute as a sign of respect. We've also likely had a few officers to whom the salute is rendered only because regulations require it. As far as the few in the latter category, if you're in a combat zone, salute him/her at every opportunity and the enemy will take care of things for you.
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We've all had officers who were an honor and a pleasure to salute as a sign of respect. We've probably had a few we saluted only because we HAD to do so as a matter of regulations. As to the latter, if you're in a combat zone, salute them at every opportunity and the enemy will take care of things for you.
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Yes, it's a sign of respect, the other person didn't reach 1st Lt by not following the same for his superiors
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It doesn't matter how you obtained your commission: ROTC, OCS, A College program / USMA or even a direct commission as they do for doctors, priests and lawyers - You are now a commissioned officer in the military. As such, you are due the respect afforded your rank and your position in the military. Outside of a combat area, war zone, or when orders are issued to curtail salutes, enlisted and junior grade officers initiate the salute to the higher rank with only one exception - recipients of the medal of honor. Medal of honor recipients, regardless of rank, will receive the salute and then return it from any rank. Only a fool would require salute protocols in an open war zone where the enemy can observe and differentiate differences in rank. My commission was earned through a 4 year ROTC program and I was called to active duty a year and a half later when butter bars were needed for Vietnam. Hell, I saluted first sergeants while in the states - mostly out of fear - for they were the real backbone of our infantry. In country, I did not want my troops to salute - life expectancy of officers was measured in seconds.
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In the 1960’s Israelis formed a company called NUMEC and thru it stole some 200 pounds of highly enriched uranium (HEU) enough to make six atomic bombs, or maybe a little more,
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billion in US military aid planned to be given them in the next ten years
AND THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED we support the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement is a global campaign promoting various forms of boycott against Israel until they meet Israel's "obligations under international law", defined as withdrawal from the occupied territories, removal of the separation barrier in the West Bank, full equality for Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel, and "respecting, protecting, and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties".
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Whereas Israel’s settlements have no legal validity and constitute a flagrant violation of
International law,
Whereas Israel has failed to obey 69 UN resolutions, it is time that the US use its foreign aid as
leverage and to , and Americans need to be educated about the terrorist attacks
conducted by Israel and the history of Israel espionage against the US,
Whereas in 1967 Israel military attacked the USS Liberty, killing 34 crew members,
Whereas in 1986 the La Belle disco bombing was really done by Israel, not Libya. Mossad planted a radio transmitter in Gaddaffi’s compound in Tripoli, Libya which broadcast fake radio transmissions about terrorist activities in order to frame Gaddaffi. As a result Ronald Reagan bombed Libya immediately thereafter.
Whereas former head of the Israeli military General Dan Halutz orchestrated the
bombing of Lebanon which killed up to 1,200 civilians in the summer of 2006,
Whereas in 2001 the FBI investigated an Israeli moving companies as possible front for Israeli intelligence and five Israelis who worked for this company were arrested photographing the collapsing of the World Trade Center buildings on September 11, 2001,
Whereas the Jewish Defense League (JDL) it was classified as "a right-wing terrorist group" by
the FBI in 2001 and is considered a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center,
Whereas since 1968, JDL operations have killed seven people and wounded at least 22 and the
FBI statistics show that, from 1980 through 1985, there were 15 officially classified terrorist
attacks in the U.S. committed by members of the JDL,
Whereas in 2001 JDL’s Irv Rubin was arrested for planning to bomb a US Congressman and he
died before he can be brought to trial,
Whereas in 1985 The New York Times reports the FBI is aware of at least a dozen incidents in
which American officials transferred classified information to the Israelis and the Justice
Department did not prosecute,
In the 1960’s Israelis formed a company called NUMEC and thru it stole some 200 pounds of highly enriched uranium (HEU) enough to make six atomic bombs, or maybe a little more,
In 1982, when Ariel Sharon, Israeli minister of defense at that time, ordered to take down a commercial airline, with hundreds of passengers on board, in order to kill Yasser Arafat. But the chiefs of Israeli Air Force rebelled against him. And they wanted—they didn’t want Israel to be stained in this horrific war crimes, and they didn’t want to violate the war of—the ethics of war of the IDF. And they prevented the operations from happening.
Whereas on October 31, 1985 the Washington Post reported that Richard Smyth, the owner of
MILCO, was indicted on charges of smuggling nuclear timing devices to Israel,
Whereas in 1992 The Wall Street Journal reported that Israeli agents apparently tried to steal
Recon Optical Inc's top-secret airborne spy-camera system,
Whereas in 1992 Stephen Bryen caught offering confidential documents to Israel in 1978 and he
is serving on board of the pro-Israeli Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs,
Whereas in 2005, an intelligence analysts in DoD, neocon-created, Office of Strategic Influence,
Larry Franklin was convicted of stealing US national security secrets on behalf of Israel,
Whereas in 2009 the US Justice Department refused to prosecute leaders of AIPAC (a major pro-
Israel lobbying organization) Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman who were caught red-handed
receiving classified US documents from Franklin,
And Whereas it was reported by Congressional Quarterly and The New York Times
Representative Jane Harman, a California Democrat was overheard agreeing with an Israeli
intelligence operative to try to intercede with Bush administration officials to obtain leniency for
Mr. Rosen and Mr. Weissman in exchange for help in persuading Democratic leaders to make her chairwoman of the House Intelligence Committee,
Whereas over 125 investigations have been done into Israeli Espionage in America,
Whereas Daniel Sheehan served as the Chief Attorney on The Karen Silkwood Case in 1976, which revealed the CIA's Israeli Desk had been smuggling 98% bomb-grade plutonium to the State of Israel and to Iran.
Whereas the State of Texas has passed a law requiring people and businesses to certify they will not boycott Israel or if they refuse to sign, they will not get any State aid for damage suffered from a hurricane.
Whereas we like people of the Jewish faith.
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED Israel is not a friend of the US and does not deserve $38
billion in US military aid planned to be given them in the next ten years
AND THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED we support the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement is a global campaign promoting various forms of boycott against Israel until they meet Israel's "obligations under international law", defined as withdrawal from the occupied territories, removal of the separation barrier in the West Bank, full equality for Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel, and "respecting, protecting, and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties".
Kirk Douglas is a Zionist who was born Issur Danielovitch . His parents were Jewish immigrants from Belarussia in 1916., which at the time was part of the Russian Empire.
Thomas Getman: When and How Did Evangelicals Become Zionists?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItWWZu2geSE
AIPAC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg8VUWIfoWo&t=47s
Israel’s Influence on Congress and Government Agencies
https://www.facebook.com/ifamericansknew/videos/ [login to see] 93770/
False charges of anti-Semitism are being used to destroy people’s reputations
How Israel stole our nuke bomb technology and enriched uranium
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUJHA9VhUZE
The Harrowing of Hell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99PN3NVNgyU&t=274s
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