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I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?

"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
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Had to bring out the exact words so the debate can stop:

 

AR 600-25

1–5. Hand salutes and salutes with arms


a

For instructions on executing the hand salute, see FM 3–21.5, paragraph 4–4.

b.

All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute.

Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of

the Armed Forces of the United States (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard), the commissioned corps

of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and the commissioned corps of the Public Health Service

entitled to the salute.

c.

The junior person shall salute first. Accompanying the rendering of the hand salute with an appropriate greeting

such as, "Good Morning, Sir" or "Good Morning, Ma’am" is encouraged. Personnel will not salute indoors except

when reporting to a superior officer.

 

AND A BIT MORE FROM

FM7-21.13

THE HAND SALUTE

4-7. The salute is not simply an honor exchanged. It is a privileged


gesture of respect and trust among soldiers. Remember the salute is not


only prescribed by regulation but is also recognition of each other’s


commitment, abilities, and professionalism.

 

4-13. All soldiers in uniform are required to salute when they meet and


recognize persons entitled (by grade) to a salute except when it is


inappropriate or impractical (in public conveyances such as planes and


buses, in public places such as inside theaters, or when driving a vehicle).

 

That seems pretty cut and dry, even if officers are of the same rank they are supposed to salute eachother as a sign of customs and courtesy to the rank. A rank which I guarentee you ar enot the first the wear nor will you be the last. A salute is to render honor to the rank, the duty, integrity, and position for which that rank stands for....I'm a 4th generation Soldier and on a personal level it bothers me to see our heritage and honors completely disregarded. The correct answer regardless is a 1LT (O-2) definitly outranks a 2LT(O-1). The 2LT(O-1) should render a hand salute and a greating.

Then the 1LT(O-2) should return the salute. RETURN THE SALUTE!!!! It is completely disrespectful fo rsomeone to render a salute and not get their return.

 

It's because of people not enforcing the baasic standards we have the larger problems that have developed in the military. The level of comfort between lower enlisted, noncommissioned, and commissed officer, and the "personal relationship" or "off duty" time that has been metioned way too many times in this thread, is why we have the indiscipline problems we do. Catch the little stuff and the larger problems will cease to exist.  

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Thank you Staff Sergeant
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SFC Brian Whisenant
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Absolutely, without question. Not saluting an officer senior in rank would be a poor example for Soldiers to see.
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<font color="#4d4d4d"><span style="font-size: 12px;">LTs do NOT salute other LTs period. &nbsp;Despite the difference in grade&nbsp;tradition&nbsp;and history&nbsp;dictate that a 2LT should not salute a 1LT. &nbsp;By saluting when it is not expected or required you may actually be undermining yourself as a leader. &nbsp;You may put yourself in a position were the person you are saluting and others who witness it, perceive you as un-knowledgeable&nbsp;and therefore unprepared to lead. &nbsp;</span></font>
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Military traditions and history are shared and generally enduring throughout the organization.  They also extend beyond and are not dictated by any one individual.  Further, it is impossible for other to know your personal history until it has been shared, however that doesn't make it a broad military tradition.  However, 17 years of Active and Reserve Service in which 2LTs have NOT saluted 1LTs does indicate a military tradition exists.  
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All due respect, Major, but if I were a 2LT, and you told me I wasn't prepared to lead, because I rendered the proper respect to someone who, by ARMY REGULATION, outranked me, the next communication you'd have from me would be either a transfer request or a resignation. &nbsp;
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I have been in the Army 17 years and 1LTs have never been "entitled to the salute" from 2LTs.&nbsp; If new doctrine has been published to change that, please provide it.&nbsp; <br>
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SSG Kevin McCulley
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Sir,
AR 600-25:

1–5. Hand salutes and salutes with arms

a. For instructions on executing the hand salute, see FM 3–21.5, paragraph 4–4.

b. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute.

Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of

the Armed Forces of the United States (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard), the commissioned corps

of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and the commissioned corps of the Public Health Service

entitled to the salute.

c. The junior person shall salute first. Accompanying the rendering of the hand salute with an appropriate greeting

such as, "Good Morning, Sir" or "Good Morning, Ma’am" is encouraged. Personnel will not salute indoors except

when reporting to a superior officer.

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Sir, I see this issue the same as you do, however my experience is with Warrant Officers mostly. I see it continually that soldiers will not render the salute to a WOJ, CW2, or 2LT, because they only see someone that has not "done the time" that they have.


To all junior officers and all NCOs, if you see this behavior, correct it. It doesn't matter what rank the individual is that you are correcting, just be respectful.

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I agree with your last comment.  What most people don't understand is that Warrant Officers are now commissioned officers.  It wasn't always the case.

What some people also don't understand is that, for many WO positions, before the person can become a WO, they MUST be an NCO in that field.  There are very few exceptions to this.

If you see it, correct them.  It is your duty, as an NCO, to correct them.  I know this "Mustang" would appreciate it.
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Should a SGT call a SSG sergeant? The answer is yes. And the answer to your question is also obviously yes. It's all about respect and what others see. You are setting an example for juniors.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Even when I see my own wife in a parking lot and she's in uniform (she's a major I'm a SFC) I salute her. It's out of respect and tradition and if someone saw me not salute her and they didn't know we were married how bad would that look.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>We need to return to proper customs &nbsp;and courtesies. We just need to enforce standards already in place.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>And for the love of god officers need to quit calling people by their first names. It's ridiculous.&nbsp;</div>
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When in doubt... whip it out...
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By the regulations, yes a 2LT should salute a 1LT, just as a CPT would salute an officer of higher grade. I think that a lot of soldiers see a LT as a LT, regardless of 1LT or 2LT, they both wear a single bar on their chest. The salute is rendered out of recognition and respect for that individual. It is something that has been around a lot longer than most of us have, we need to keep the traditions and customs of our forefathers alive and well. The military is huge on customs and courtesies along with tradition, however with the changing times it seems like there are a lot of soldiers that are becoming more lax in regards to this. The salute is rendered out of recognition and respect for that individual. It is something that has been around a lot longer than most of us have, we need to keep the traditions and customs of our forefathers alive and well. I have not spent much time on Active Duty posts, but I do not see it often on National Guard posts.
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I think the Guard fails at maintain the same level of professionalism as the Active side does. When I show up for drill I am shocked if I get saluted. It shouldn't be that way.
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SPC William Vann
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Always. A 2nd Lt has to, the same as I do. Rank is rank.

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Yes.
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I was taught that there is no rank between Lieutenants.  The salute is a courtesy, and hardly seems appropriate between LTs.
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CPT Robert Hume
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Agreed
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