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I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
Officers
Customs and Courtesies
Army
Saluting
AR 600-25
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I feel as though there is a rank system in place for a reason. If the Army says that you salute a higher ranking officer, then you do it.. Period.
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In the shortest answer I can, Yes.
Not only is it regulation, but it also shows a sign of respect for the rank. As an NCO, it is true there are times LT's are younger then I am and have less experience then I do, but they did the work, went to school, and earned their commision. For that alone, I respect the rank and will always salute.
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Bottom line, yes. What you do amongst yourselves not with standing, observe proper customs courtesies and deference in public and especially in front of your men.
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When I salute I expect an officer, warrant to salute me back and if they don't I will solve the issue tactfully. Whatever you do reflects on yourself period...
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Thank you for clarifying that LT Rosa. I thought that was the regulation but never knew for sure. I feel that if you are entitled to a salute regardless of my rank, I shall salute you, you earned it.
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I look at this two ways. If the junior works with the senior on a daily basis, and has been told by the senior not to salute, that's perfectly fine. When they're around enlisted soldiers however, especially any junior soldiers, I believe that they should salute. More than anything I think that it is setting the example for their subordinates in that they should always render proper customs and courtesies.
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If they have their "P", it is appropiate or if he/she are placed in Command over you. Otherwise, "There is no honor among theives." Otherwise, you run the risk of being the butt of jokes for years to come for saluting a 1LT.
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MAJ John Drake
P just denotes selected for the next rank. 2LT to 1LT is a time in service thing, but 1LT to CPT is DA Board selected. You may be selected, but have a DOR that is delayed for a short time after the list is released. Depending where you fall on that list, your promotion date could be a couple of months away. It is not uncommon for a 1LT (P) to take command before being promoted. That was the jist of my comment. In my 23 years of service, in combat arms, LTs never saluted each other, and if they did salute or call another LT "Sir", it was fuel for multiple "Boot" awards and much castigation. By reg, 2LTs should, but in practicum, it is not done or expected.
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SSgt (Join to see)
Thanks Major Drake. A lot of has changed since I have been in and now I know a little more.
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SSG Kevin McCulley
Sir,
Ahh, I thought I read in the correspondence FM that only COL's were authorized it due to the significant difference between Company Grade / Field Grade and the Flag grades.
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Ssg mcCulley, you are correct. Officers should only use the (P) in official correspondence or signature blocks upon selection for BG or when it is "in the best interests of the army". This is a failing of the officer corps across the services. You know what to call a captain promotable or a major select (for the AF folks reading his)? Captain. Period. Rank is conferred when it is conferred an not before.
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When I was a senior 1LT I had my Company CDR tell me that 1st and 2nd LTs were the same essentially. I didn't why he brought it up but apparently he had the impression that I was ordering 2nd LTs around like they were subordinates which wasn't the case.
But from my experience the expectation in the Army, National Guard and Active, they are treated as though they are the same rank. A 1st LT just means they are not as green anymore and have more experience. The reason silver is a higher rank than gold is because gold is softer and more malleable than silver. So essentially a 1LT is seen as someone who has been hardened by experience and is expected to withstand pressure more.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Sir, your former company commander was wrong and it is sad that he was developing his lieutenants to think like that. Not saying that you per say fell into that belief. Aloha!
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Regardless rank is rank. We need to respect those above us, even if it isn't a huge difference. The same goes for a PFC and SPC. That PFC needs to respect the specialist. It just shows the younger soldiers that we respect all ranks and give eachother the courtesies of each rank.
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Yes, I think that a 2LT should salute a 1LT. I also think that a PVT should stand at parade rest for a PFC. So there you go.
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SSG Kevin McCulley
PFC's aren't NCOs. They do not hold office. They do not have any authority. Officers holding a commission or warrant as well as non commissioned officers do have said authority and therefore rate those courtesies. It isn't out outranking. It is about the authority of the office you hold. This is why SPCs don't rate parade rest from PFCs ect...
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