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I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
Officers
Customs and Courtesies
Army
Saluting
AR 600-25
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Posted 12 y ago
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As a PSG, I would walk with the PL I had. If someone enlisted or officer didn't render a salute I would stop them, instruct them, and reference it (if it was not known). I did the same thing and still do if the officer I'm working with or for does that to a enlisted member. I work for a COL now and when we are out I still make mention of this if the situation arises. I'm not running through parking lots but using situational awareness with judgment to insure it still happens. I don't do this for more then one simply thing. It is one of the oldest customs within our ranks. I know a lot of old thought is leaving, but this one should stay.
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So we have a new 1LT show up in our S3 shop, and as far as I know, he's just another young officer in need of mentorship and guidance. Wrong, he's a former SFC. Sometimes you just don't know who that person walking the other way is, so err on the side of doing the right thing. There may be exceptions to customs and courtesies, but they should be dear to the environment and so well guarded that they do not enter into social media, and are only practiced between warriors well acquainted with one another.
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In a sense that is kind of like asking should a SPC stand at parade rest for a CPL. In a sense they are both the same grade. And i understand a 1st Lt is that of a different grade then a 2nd LT. However both are LTs. Well back the the enlisted side regardless of the fact that both are E4s the Cpl still by default of holding a leadership position outranks said SPC therefore the specialist should stand at parade rest. So with all being said. YES a 2LT should salute a 1LT.
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Yes the regulation states it is rendered to the higher rank and that is a higher rank. I also hate to hear officers refer to each other by first name in public forum.
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CW3 Ian Mains
Do you stand at parade rest every time you talk to a MSG (1SG or not)? Because the reg says you should. Maybe you do. But the reality is LTs aren't saluting LTs and Warrants don't salute Warrants, like it or not. I do however agree with your second statement. First name basis is cool and all, but it shouldn't be done in front of enlisted troops.
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A 2LT should absolutely salute a 1LT. Just as anyone should be saluting a superior officer. As an enlisted Soldier if I encounter a 2LT I would salute him. But then if a 1LT walked up with the 2LT there, I would salute the 1LT as he out ranks the 2LT. Or if I am walking with a 2LT and walk past a 1LT I would salute the 1LT since, once again the 1LT outranks the 2LT that I am with. When it comes to officer ranks you should always show the proper respect and courtesy to the higher ranking officer. I don't feel that there should ever be any question as to whether a 2LT should salute a 1LT.
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Of course a 2Lt should salute a 1Lt. The 1st and 2nd LT may be lieutenants, but one still OUTRANKS the other. Personally, I see a 2LT as a Private. I may have served 3 1/2 years Enlisted and the LT is fresh to the unit, BUT he would still OUTRANK me. Is it fair? No, but it is the rules. It's no different than a Private standing at Parade Rest for a Specialist. The Specialist isn't an NCO, but he Outranks the Private...that's my rant...
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Cpl D. Blake Wilson
How is it not fair that you have to salute a 2nd Lt? If you don't like it, get a commission. You are saluting the rank; it was the rule before you, and will be the rule after you.
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I believe they should salute because you are respecting the rank regardless.
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Yes the 2nd LT should salute the 1st LT. You answered the question in your first line.
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Yes a 2LT should salute a 1LT. I did whenever I was a 2LT and I didn't allow anyone to take the standard of respecting superiors away from me. Everyone works hard for thier rank and they deserve the respect that goes with it.
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