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I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
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Customs and Courtesies
Army
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AR 600-25
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<p>The regulation does support your point, on paper. In reality, 2LTs and 1LTs are so close in rank, experiance, and position that a salute is not usually rendered. In fact, LTs are expected to work and socialize so closely that a salute could degrade these relationships. </p><p> </p><p>As a 2LT I never saluted 1LTs and never expected one as a 1LT.</p>
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Cpl (Join to see)
With all do respect Captian, it is still a Military Courtesy and a Salute is in order.
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Does a SGT(P) have to stand at parade rest when talking to a SSG? No even have to ask sir. Even if you just got out of West Point, with 22 yrs of age and I have been deployed 20 times, you still have the commission you earn. You have to get the greeting of the day if indoor. Basic Customs and Courtesies. But this goes other ways also.
Some junior officers (2LT, 1LT and CPT's) need to be aware that a SFC's, SSG's and even some SPC's have been in the Army more years than they have in college. Majority of them are very humble and get together with their soldiers and learn from them the deals of the mission. But then you got the ones that just go straight to pull rank and have the SNCO's just blowing back to them to the point that I have seen LT's cry; this should not happen, because respect goes first, but the experiences that SNCO have will be some that the officer might never get to experience.
I have seen this only twice and both times in Korea. My lieutenants so far have been younger than me, but very smart and just hungry for learning, to the point that we have to remind them "Sir, this is the guys job, let them work too."
Sadly, some of them got worn out and burnt by the politics and got out to do bigger and better things (according to them, I don't agree on the bigger and better part).
Also you get the ones that just don't care and "blow you off" when you greet them; others let enlisted soldiers walk by and don't greet them; some are scare to correct on the spot just because they are a "new LT" or just don't care.
Guess what, sir/ma'am? Stop for a moment, turn around and tell that NCO or junior enlisted on the spot! Because letting it go just contributes to the rampant indiscipline that happens in our ranks.
I have seen first hand this and I'm just amaze of the respect that "new LT" has after.
Discipline is the foundation and it should start from the top.
Success to you LT
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Sir, I believe that you should still salute a 1LT, being a 2LT... The reason behind this is because although you see each other as "Just a LT", s/he is still a pay grade higher, meaning that the "Just a LT" is still your senior. That is what I believe. Do you think a Brigadier General should salute a Major General, being that they are "Just a General"? Same concept. :) Hope this helps, Sir!
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I know what the regs say, but in practice, it really depends on the relative position in the command structure.
As a 1LT platoon leader, there was no way that I was going to ever expect a salute from a 2LT platoon leader. Now, had I been the CO at 1LT, even a 1LT platoon leade would be expected to salute.
Deployed? doesn't matter. In garrison with multiple units? Follow your CO and 1SG's lead.
Deployed? doesn't matter. In garrison with multiple units? Follow your CO and 1SG's lead.
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You render the salute to higher rank if you arfe 2nd LT and are approaching a 1st LT he out ranks you by virture of a higher you must salute him no bending the rules of the AR.
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SSG Gordon Hill
Realy justify your position, you only if you are sa;utred properly are you a leader or just some one hungry for more rank and does not care about the respect of the salute. Did the 1st LT not earned his rank
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1LT Nick Kidwell
The 1LT earned his rank by keeping his nose clean enough and having sufficiently high ratings on his OER to not be ineligible for promotion. It's practically a TIG thing like PVs to PFC.
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1LT Nick Kidwell
The 1LT earned his rank by keeping his nose clean enough and having sufficiently high ratings on his OER to not be ineligible for promotion. It's practically a TIG thing like PV2 to PFC.
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COL (Join to see)
SSG Hill. I can't understand what you are trying to get across. This was a pretty simple one. No 2LT has ever saluted a 1LT. It just isn't done in the Army. Any 1LT that would demand it is a D-Waffle who will most likely be weeded out as such.
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