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I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
Officers
Customs and Courtesies
Army
Saluting
AR 600-25
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This should never be up for discussion, I stand at parade rest for any NCO higher ranking than me because that is the reg it is no different for officers
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CPT (Join to see)
This is the most debate topic on Rallypoint. From the information here you see a complete 180 from officers to NCOs on how they approach this. Being prior SSG I saluted as we know to do. Then I was told to stop. I asked why and they just said they don't. No reg to back it up. And that was the start of this.
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Technically I believe you would be correct, but it's kinda like a specialist requiring a pfc to go to parade rest for him and adress him as specialist. Technically correct, but won't win you any actual respect.
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Kinda. You only have to stand at Parade Rest for an NCO. I would use CPL but I get your point.
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I absolutely think so. It's a matter of respect for each other, for what they do, and what they swore to do as an officer. And it sets a good example for lower enlisted.
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1LT William Clardy
SPC Tiffany Ivanov, don't believe CPT (Join to see)'s claims -- judging by the passion he displays on this site, he's one of the *most* starry-eyed cynics I've seen in a while...
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SPC Tiffany Ivanov
I want the NCO experience before becoming an officer. Working one on one with soldiers, mentoring, helping, and hopefully being the NCO I haven't had yet. I think it would help me infinitely as an officer if I understand what "leading" means on a personal basis. I'm not ready yet. I'm going to the board in August and with a lot of luck (and nausea meds so I don't puke from nerves) I'll get my promotable status. Maybe after a couple years of NCO responsibilities I'll have a better understanding of just what I'm working towards.
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1LT William Clardy
You should do well, SPC Tiffany Ivanov, as any kind of officer, commissioned or noncommissioned (or even one of those wobbly types), but your cynicism will be in no danger of atrophying as a small-unit leader in the U.S. Army.
At least, that's the initial opinion of this O-2E who spent roughly 5 years as an NCO and who expects to never get another paycheck from the Army.
At least, that's the initial opinion of this O-2E who spent roughly 5 years as an NCO and who expects to never get another paycheck from the Army.
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The fact that yhis question has to be asked is indicative of many problems with the modern Army. It's equivelent to asking should a PVT have to follow the directions of a PFC placed in charge of a detail.
Rank is rank, it is the reason we have an order in the system. Having said that military customs and courtesies are just that, and should be observed. I spot check my SPC for not speaking at parade rest when adressing my NCO's (CPLs included, and they're the same E grade).
So, be mindful, it is often the little things we do and fail to do that influence those around us and become the reason or justification for the things they say or do. Remember all.soldiers, regardless of rank, do things for 4 reasons:
1. It's what they know to be right because if doctrine or training.
2. It's what they've seen done by others without correction.
3. It's what they believe to be the right way, but never asked and never corrected.
4. It's what the barrack/internet attorney told them was right.
Now, go forward, and do great things!
-Sidewinder 7
Rank is rank, it is the reason we have an order in the system. Having said that military customs and courtesies are just that, and should be observed. I spot check my SPC for not speaking at parade rest when adressing my NCO's (CPLs included, and they're the same E grade).
So, be mindful, it is often the little things we do and fail to do that influence those around us and become the reason or justification for the things they say or do. Remember all.soldiers, regardless of rank, do things for 4 reasons:
1. It's what they know to be right because if doctrine or training.
2. It's what they've seen done by others without correction.
3. It's what they believe to be the right way, but never asked and never corrected.
4. It's what the barrack/internet attorney told them was right.
Now, go forward, and do great things!
-Sidewinder 7
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If the Butter bar or the 1st Lt don't understand AR 600-25 maybe they could = GET DOWN AND GIVE ME 50 PUSHUPS!!!!
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CPT (Join to see)
It is only a matter of time until a field grade comes along and says you are wrong. Welcome to the fight.
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Only if the 1LT is serving as commander. I can only speak from the Guard side, but there's no such thing as a 2LT slot - every 2LT is in a duty position that a 1LT can hold, which differentiates LTs from the LTC/COL relationship. A 2LT PL shouldn't salute a 1LT PL.
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SSG Richard Reilly
CPT (Join to see) I am a broke **** retired freak. I don't salute unless I feel like show how awesome I feel abou the flag. But I always saluted and said sir and ma'am. Even with CPT, MAJ, LTC, and GO's telling me to call them by their first name. I usually said..."Sir(ma,am), I can't do that. The military is built on rank structure and discipline. If I don't call you Sir or Ma'am others may think me being wrong was right."
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Why is this question even being posed? Every junior officer will salute a senior officer. Even an officer of the same grade that was commissioned first will be saluted by the same RANK junior officer.
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