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I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
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Customs and Courtesies
Army
Saluting
AR 600-25
Edited 11 y ago
Posted 12 y ago
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Only initiated by the 2LT as a specific honor. If you want help through your career and not enemies, you won't be a total jerk and try to make your peers salute you. I'd use stronger language but I'm a chaplain.
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RANK IS JUST THAT RANK EXCEPT LTS AND LTC VS. COL. SO THE CORRECT ANSWER IS YES ALWAYS SALUTE . KEEPS THE JAGS OFFICE SLOW.LOL
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we did not in Germany in the early 70's. However, my company commander was a 1LT and got salutes from the 2LT's in the company.
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I'm surprised no one has brought it up after all this time, but as anyone that has ever worked in/with NATO would know, there is officially no distinction between O-1 and O-2. They are both classed as an OF-1 (and yes, this applies to US as well as allied countries). Captain is an OF-2. I'm sure there are people that will say "so what, that's NATO", but, seeing as how hotly contested this topic seems to have been, I think it is an interesting fact to point out.
Also, for all the NCO's out there that have criticized the non-salute practice based on the fact that it's an unwritten custom and not in the regulation, I'm curious as to how many of you can honestly say that you call every Warrant Officer you come across Sir/Ma'am or Mr./Ms. rather than "Chief". I would hazard a guess that a solid 90% could not say that you do. I only mention this because that too has become an accepted practice, but is not listed in any regulation as a title of address.
Also, for all the NCO's out there that have criticized the non-salute practice based on the fact that it's an unwritten custom and not in the regulation, I'm curious as to how many of you can honestly say that you call every Warrant Officer you come across Sir/Ma'am or Mr./Ms. rather than "Chief". I would hazard a guess that a solid 90% could not say that you do. I only mention this because that too has become an accepted practice, but is not listed in any regulation as a title of address.
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SGT Paul Hirsch
Chief, I think there are some differences here. Firstly, NATO is a different animal based on the fact that our soldiers are acting, in some ways, like ambassadors and therefore should follow the rule of law in that scenario. Good point though.
Secondly, calling a Warrant Chief or a 1SG, "Top" is also considered and sign of respect. This is however only accepted if the Warrant or 1SG is accepting of it. Not the same as not calling them anything. Rendering a salute or "not" rendering a salute is not in the same category. I believe the regulations do say that you must address your superiors with Sir or Ma'am or their title. Saying Chief is a portion of their title. But to your point, I guess saluting with only one finger instead of the whole hand could cause more problems.
Secondly, calling a Warrant Chief or a 1SG, "Top" is also considered and sign of respect. This is however only accepted if the Warrant or 1SG is accepting of it. Not the same as not calling them anything. Rendering a salute or "not" rendering a salute is not in the same category. I believe the regulations do say that you must address your superiors with Sir or Ma'am or their title. Saying Chief is a portion of their title. But to your point, I guess saluting with only one finger instead of the whole hand could cause more problems.
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I was once saluted by a 2LT when I was a 1LT. Believe I told him he was an idiot...seemed about the right response. Because, to be honest, what had I as a 1LT really done to outrank him? Nothing, except breathe and not screw things up too badly.
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Yes-But in any subordinates defense, it is sometimes difficult to determine someone's rank until you are very close to then especially with the subdue variety!!
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I think the reason most 2LTs don't salute 1LTs is because they often hold the same positions--platoon leaders, XOs, BN staff etc. There are times where a 2LT will be an XO over other senior 1LTs. I would laugh out loud if a 2LT were to salute me now, but it is regulation so I would have saluted a 1LT when I was a 2LT if they really made a big deal about it.
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