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I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
Officers
Customs and Courtesies
Army
Saluting
AR 600-25
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No. Any 1LT who is not a Commander who thinks 2LTs who do not work for them is in for a hard lesson. All LTs should be in the fight together assisting each other’s and learning all they can. Heck, some LTs are almost 1LTs by the time they reach their units depending on the amount of training. You will have many more very import things to think about than whether LTs should be saluting each other.
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I commanded two companies as a 1LT back in the mid 70's. Damn right they saluted.
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What's the purpose of having "regulations" if weren't not following them? Should we hang them in the restroom and use them as toilet paper? Come on folks, we ALL need to enforce the rules whether we agree with them or not. That's what being a disciplined force is all about. WRT saluting, I was told as a candidate that when you make WO1, your arm will be coming up when you walk past anyone in uniform and they were correct. I salute the ranks higher than not because I want to but because a regulation tells me to.
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Why even ask a question like that. Its a no brainer. A salute is used to honor the rank, officers should salute Officers and enlisted men salute officers. Marines do not salute officers indoors without a cover (hat) on and the only time you wear a cover in doors is with a Duty belt on. If an enlisted man is wearing the MOH. an Officer should salute the enlisted man. You salute the medal not the man.
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Should a E-9 salute a brand new 2LT? We can't be trying to interpret every salute opportunity for some kind of value judgement. The rules are clear. And they don't require that you actually believe the individual deserves your respect.
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A salute by a 2LT to a 1LT is not only an ingrained tradition within the military, it is required by regulation. Get over it. Hasn't anyone ever heard the catch-phrase, "If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it?" There are some serious problems in the military that needs fixing, this isn't one of them.
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When I was an enlisted man, respect wasn't given until a soldier crossed the threshold to Sergeant (E-5). I always felt that E-5 was the "journeyman" level rank, whereas E-1 through E-4 were "apprentice" level.
I carried the same thought with me when I was commissioned some years later, only among officers O-1 and O-2 were "apprentice" ranks and the "journeyman" level was attained at O-3.
Just my particular way of thinking; I apprenticed as a carpenter under my grandfather and "journeyman" came after four years of apprenticeship.
I carried the same thought with me when I was commissioned some years later, only among officers O-1 and O-2 were "apprentice" ranks and the "journeyman" level was attained at O-3.
Just my particular way of thinking; I apprenticed as a carpenter under my grandfather and "journeyman" came after four years of apprenticeship.
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If you are taught properly there is no perception of what is right and wrong. The biggest problem is the liberal mindset that has crept into the ranks. The Army is not a democracy, every rank from WO1 to General has a requirement to those above them to carry out the orders given. When proper orders are given, reporting to a superior, the greeting of the day, a salute is given. Now that being said, there is the time honored traditions that are being forced out due to your liberal mindset and are being replaced by "The Unwritten Rules". This questionable issue of saluting an O2 from an O1 perspective is one of those rules. Read the Army Officers Guide and all regulations on Drill and Ceremony and discipline. If you are an ROTC, Direct Commission or West Point Officer, you may fall into the liberal mindset. At least those from OCS are still being taught properly, but that has been changing over the past 15 years.
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I was OCS but I was a SSG before I came to the dark side. I saluted but I got some odd looks. I did what was expected of a lower rank. But as you can see I tapped into something much bigger than I.
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LTC Joseph George
I also was an SSG with over 10 years in service before I went to OCS. But I used my experience and training to combat those idiots that did not want to do the right thing. This has been going on for the past 25 to 30 years to bring down the professionalism of the Officer ranks and it is working. As I did 40 years, I did not let down the necessary discipline that every officer should instill in their subordinates. I cam in during the end of the Vietnam war, did 8 tours of combat, had a Captain who was promoted to Major who decided he had more rank and authority than I. So you see this is systemic and need to be changed.
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