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I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
Officers
Customs and Courtesies
Army
Saluting
AR 600-25
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Yes Sir a 2nd LT should salute a 1st LT.
For reasons as stated in LTC. Shewbert comments. " A time honored recognition between warriors".
If I'm correct this time honor goes back to a period where their where Knights.
Where 2nd LT and 1st LT may have the same name "LT", the Rank is very much different as in O-1 and O-2.
Sir when you make 1st LT, you will have 2nd LT's saluting you :)
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I had this conversation a few years after I received my Commission and I joked with some of my friends that things were easier now, I didn't have to look and see if I needed to salute the person I was approaching because now every person I came in contact with was a saluting situation. Didn't really matter who started the salute, it became the same as saying "good morning" when meeting. At first my ego said "I don't salute 01s" but I came to believe that it didn't make my experience any less to afford this gesture, but rather I am now certain that the same 01 I saluted would come to me when they needed help later when before I was not as sure of this. But the bottom line is that it is not what I believe that matters it is required.
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Everyone knows what the regulation says but this would be the same as a PV2 standing at parade rest for a PFC. When I was a 2LT most of the other LTs didn't really want a salute unless we were doing something official. Reading many of these comments you would think there was a complete breakdown of discipline in the unit but no we had no DUIs, ART 15s or other actions during the 24 months I was there.
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LTC (Join to see)
AR 600-25, paragraph 1-5, sub paragraphs b&c only specifically state saluting as being executed between Officers (to include Warrant Officers) and Enlisted personnel. It states that the junior member will initiate the salute and wait for the senior member to return the salute. At no point in the regulation does it state who is entitled specifically to a salute amongst officers. The only place I have seen personnel of the same rank or LTs salute each other is in the Ranger Regiment where it based on your duty position. For example a CPT staff officer will call a CPT Company Commander Sir and salute him. Here are sub paragraphs b&c
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b. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute.
Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of
the Armed Forces of the United States (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard), the commissioned corps
of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and the commissioned corps of the Public Health Service
entitled to the salute.
c. The junior person shall salute first. Accompanying the rendering of the hand salute with an appropriate greeting
such as, "Good Morning, Sir" or "Good Morning, Ma’am" is encouraged. Personnel will not salute indoors except
when reporting to a superior officer."
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b. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute.
Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of
the Armed Forces of the United States (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard), the commissioned corps
of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and the commissioned corps of the Public Health Service
entitled to the salute.
c. The junior person shall salute first. Accompanying the rendering of the hand salute with an appropriate greeting
such as, "Good Morning, Sir" or "Good Morning, Ma’am" is encouraged. Personnel will not salute indoors except
when reporting to a superior officer."
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SSgt Kevin Dunlap
Not really, I just happen to disagree with what you have said several times. There were several comments you made that I did not thumbs down. I'm sure we would agree on more things than disagree, just obviously not on this topic, lol.
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GySgt William Hardy
The question is not about juniors saluting seniors as much as it is who determined that certain ranks were peers and did not have to salute.
Maj Ballenger explained to me in another post that COs have the authority to interpret the meaning of orders and pass that on down to subordinates. If that is indeed true, then what is there to discuss? It would also explain why certain commands practice courtesies differently from another. I am good with it.
Maj Ballenger explained to me in another post that COs have the authority to interpret the meaning of orders and pass that on down to subordinates. If that is indeed true, then what is there to discuss? It would also explain why certain commands practice courtesies differently from another. I am good with it.
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YES, in the garrison or civilian environment, all lower ranked personnel is to salute any and all officer in a senior rank, period. Those who do not, need to have their military courtesy education refreshed, with a week or two of Extra Duty, to include Company Grade Officers. However in a field or theater environment, that rule goes out the window, as a safety issue.
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SGT Michael McMahon
Another thing, when two officers of the same rank, and when one is in a command position over the others position, the non command officer is supposed to render the proper courtesy to the officer in the command position, but that is often not done either.
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Of course an officer of lesser rank should salute one of higher rank in the right situations. To assume that LT as LT and not differentiate between first and second is insulting to the senior officer's effort and time on the job. It sometimes happens that a company commander can be a 1st lieutenant but seldom that a butter bar will be in that situation. Customs and Courtesies are present for a purpose and they should be observed by all ranks.
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It's all about respect! A 1LT has earned his promotion from 2LT and therefore deserves to be saluted by his subordinates. I was a CW2 and a platoon leader. During O call I was treated as an equal along side of three LT's some 1st and some 2nd. The Commander considered our input equally. Once outside, we honored each other with a salute. No Ego, simply respect!
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as a veteran, I say any lower Ranks should Salute Higher Ranks even if its a 2LT to 1LT or even O-1 to a O-2. Respect the rank, and the person they earned the rank. The officers earned the rank, point blank. Should be a no-brainer. I've rubbed elbows with CSM'S, and Officers, as High as a B.General. Honor those w/ higher ranks.
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