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I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
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You know, I was thinking the same thing. I saw a 2LT the other day and he just walks by and says "what's up man". The audacity...
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I feel that a higher ranking officer should be required the salute be any lower rank, officer or enlisted. A 1st Lt. is a higher rank than a 2nd Lt. so a salute is required.
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I know this is an old thread, but throwing down my 0.02 - if you outrank me, you're getting saluted. Period. If you salute me, you're getting a returned salute. This is pretty black and white in my book.
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I see that you have wondered in the dark shady place in RP were others will tell you to avoid at all cost. I agree. I see it as it being pretty simple. I don't see it as anything different as you stated. If they out rank you then you should salute.
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Long live the Lieutenant Mafia. No need to salute..just chuckle in delight as you pass each other by. Black bar and butter bars..raise up!! On another note..let us continue to flog this dead horse.
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I am going to make that horse so much more deader it is just going to die all over again.
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No S-, there I was....walking down the sidewalk at Camp Lemonnier, when who should approach but a Navy Ensign......and he saluted me!
Ok, I know that he is correct by regulation and doing the right thing,etc....but I could not help but think of this thread, the parodies, etc and start laughing. It definitely made my day.
Ok, I know that he is correct by regulation and doing the right thing,etc....but I could not help but think of this thread, the parodies, etc and start laughing. It definitely made my day.
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While at Bragg today I was saluted by a 2LT and the world did not explode. Right after that another 2LT raised his hand and was about to salute but stopped half way. He looked pretty confused. I am sure he was trying to think about what he read on the post formally known as "the post"
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For once I can say "That's what she said" in a professional and appropriate manner. Thank you CPT Carrie Papproth
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Army Regulation 600–25
1–5. Hand salutes and salutes with arms
a. For instructions on executing the hand salute, see FM 3–21.5, paragraph 4–4.
b. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute.
Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of
the Armed Forces of the United States (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard), the commissioned corps
of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and the commissioned corps of the Public Health Service
entitled to the salute.
c. The junior person shall salute first. Accompanying the rendering of the hand salute with an appropriate greeting
such as, "Good Morning, Sir" or "Good Morning, Ma’am" is encouraged. Personnel will not salute indoors except
when reporting to a superior officer.
d. The practice of saluting officers in official vehicles (recognized individually by rank or identifying vehicle plates
and/or flags) is considered an appropriate courtesy and will be observed. Salutes are not required to be rendered by or
to personnel who are driving or riding in privately owned vehicles, except by gate guards who will render salutes to
recognized officers in all vehicles unless duties are of such a nature as to make the salute impractical. When military
personnel are acting as drivers of a moving vehicle, they should not initiate a salute.
e. It is customary to salute officers of friendly foreign nations when recognized as such. The commanding general,
U.S. European Command; the commanding general, U.S. Army Europe and Seventh U.S. Army; commanding general,
U.S. Forces Korea and Eighth U.S. Army; commanding general, U.S. Army, Pacific; and commanding general, U.S.
Army, Southern Command, are delegated the authority to establish policies for recognition courtesies prevailing locally
for foreign officials. Should inactivation eliminate any of these commands, the authority will pass down to the next
level of command. This authority will not be delegated further.
"All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute.
Salutes will be exchanged between officers" "c. The junior person shall salute first." O-1 is junior to O-2 DONE. Does anyone want to explain to me that an 2LT is not junior to 1LT? Didn't think so...I hope no one does...but only time will tell.
1–5. Hand salutes and salutes with arms
a. For instructions on executing the hand salute, see FM 3–21.5, paragraph 4–4.
b. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute.
Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of
the Armed Forces of the United States (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard), the commissioned corps
of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and the commissioned corps of the Public Health Service
entitled to the salute.
c. The junior person shall salute first. Accompanying the rendering of the hand salute with an appropriate greeting
such as, "Good Morning, Sir" or "Good Morning, Ma’am" is encouraged. Personnel will not salute indoors except
when reporting to a superior officer.
d. The practice of saluting officers in official vehicles (recognized individually by rank or identifying vehicle plates
and/or flags) is considered an appropriate courtesy and will be observed. Salutes are not required to be rendered by or
to personnel who are driving or riding in privately owned vehicles, except by gate guards who will render salutes to
recognized officers in all vehicles unless duties are of such a nature as to make the salute impractical. When military
personnel are acting as drivers of a moving vehicle, they should not initiate a salute.
e. It is customary to salute officers of friendly foreign nations when recognized as such. The commanding general,
U.S. European Command; the commanding general, U.S. Army Europe and Seventh U.S. Army; commanding general,
U.S. Forces Korea and Eighth U.S. Army; commanding general, U.S. Army, Pacific; and commanding general, U.S.
Army, Southern Command, are delegated the authority to establish policies for recognition courtesies prevailing locally
for foreign officials. Should inactivation eliminate any of these commands, the authority will pass down to the next
level of command. This authority will not be delegated further.
"All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute.
Salutes will be exchanged between officers" "c. The junior person shall salute first." O-1 is junior to O-2 DONE. Does anyone want to explain to me that an 2LT is not junior to 1LT? Didn't think so...I hope no one does...but only time will tell.
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GySgt William Hardy
MSG Sand, I have said the same. All I want is a simple reference where the custom is located. I don't know about everyone else, but "word of mouth" just doesn't seem good enough. I am more than willing to accept that Lts are peers and don't have to salute, but normally such things are written somewhere. Maybe it should be submitted as a change to the regulation so that it will be in writing.
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MSG Brad Sand
SFC Hardy, the Reg is clear...just some people want to pretend that it is not. See AR 600-2. http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r600_25.pdf
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MSG Brad Sand
I want to apologize to SFC William Hardy, for accidently writing SFC White. It was not intended as a slight, it was my error. It is obvious to anyone following the thread, I was replying to SFC Hardy, but it appears some would like to use this error for their own ulterior motives.
For the record, COL White is a Vietnam era officer, who retired in 1992 and wanted to avoid pettiness that sometime happens on sites like this. He has not removed himself from this site, thankfully, but simply removed himself from this discussion.
It will interesting to see if others correct their comments and apologize for their errors?
For the record, COL White is a Vietnam era officer, who retired in 1992 and wanted to avoid pettiness that sometime happens on sites like this. He has not removed himself from this site, thankfully, but simply removed himself from this discussion.
It will interesting to see if others correct their comments and apologize for their errors?
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Eliminate the names then because it seems to be what's tripping up everyone who thinks it ok to not salute. Should an O1 salute an O2? Every time until the senior says he doesn't personally require it. But in a place of business around other servicemen it shows respect towards the senior in addition to showing that they know their rank structure. Otherwise you make the impression that you are a bag or full of yourself to everyone around that sees it. Being in the service you are expected to maintain a certain image. And it happens to be in the regulations so there should be no debate.
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Having spent 10 years in the Army and now on my 13th year in the Navy I can tell you why there should be a salute. First it is a documented regulation and supports good order and discipline and respect. We are not all equal, one is a 2LT and one is a 1LT. You earned that rank. You are not saluting a person but the rank. You may wonder why such the big fuss. Well why have a regulation then...or any regulations? These are customs and courtesies that served previous military members well. In the Navy they have gone down this path we are discussing and the result is an officer/NCO corps that is questioned at the lower levels of authority (PO/ENS/LTJGs/etc). These are a code of conduct that play into how we conduct ourselves in situations civilians cannot appreciate.
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PO2 Charles Brey
I remember shortly after I made PO2 one of my bridge officers was becoming WAY too chummy with the watch.
I asked him to step over so I could get some of his advice. When out of earshot I RESPECTFULLY explained his error and why he needed to maintain more professional distance.
Thereafter he was far less cordial to me, but apparently "got" the lesson and became more respected by the whole team before the end of the cruise.
There is a clear line he had crossed, and had stepped back.
I asked him to step over so I could get some of his advice. When out of earshot I RESPECTFULLY explained his error and why he needed to maintain more professional distance.
Thereafter he was far less cordial to me, but apparently "got" the lesson and became more respected by the whole team before the end of the cruise.
There is a clear line he had crossed, and had stepped back.
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I can't believe the seasoned vets who are getting the mentoring and peer thing confused with rendering proper military courtesy. The 1LT out ranks and is a superior officer to the 2LT; end of discussion and the junior officer owes a salute to the senior officer. In the work center, yes they are more equal and can be more casual when addressing each other but they also have to know that when in public they must render proper courtesies.<div><br></div>
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Major, take which branch of service out of the equation. it is still a higher rank. I respect you opinion though
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I don't think it's ok for you to speak for the Army as a whole. this is clearly NOT how the Army as a whole operates. I was on you base this week and watches 2LT salute 1LTs. Perhaps different things happen under different commanders but away from theit company area, people follow the regulations, customs, courtesies and respect the traditions, or pretend to. and it's important. discipline is the uncompromising will to do what's right even when no one is watching. we instill it from day one as a private or 2LT and it continues until you leave the service. I've served with infantry, artillery, Rangers, and combat operators at the point of execution. discipline is taught and obeyed there because a break down in discipline there equals lives lost. and it all starts with respect for the rank
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