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I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
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Army
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AR 600-25
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When I was a 1st LT I never expected a 2nd Lt to salute me and I can't remember any of them doing so. It was a good thing to have 1st LTs around you could ask questions as a newly minted 2nd LT without having to call them sir or salute.
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Yes and then beat him for hesitating.
In all seriousness Naval Aviation takes a different view. I hardly get saluted or salute due to the fact that we are on the flight line a lot, hence covers are not worn, salutes are not rendered uncovered. Outside of the fence we wear covers but only salute 04 and above. We all fly together and there is no rank in the cockpit. We view 01-03 as equals with regards to rank. Rank is not a determining factor but Aircraft qualification and positional authority take precedence.
The Navy Surface Warfare community is different. The boot Ensign salutes even a LTJG on the ship. They get butthurt when we don't salute them. Fly Navy!
In all seriousness Naval Aviation takes a different view. I hardly get saluted or salute due to the fact that we are on the flight line a lot, hence covers are not worn, salutes are not rendered uncovered. Outside of the fence we wear covers but only salute 04 and above. We all fly together and there is no rank in the cockpit. We view 01-03 as equals with regards to rank. Rank is not a determining factor but Aircraft qualification and positional authority take precedence.
The Navy Surface Warfare community is different. The boot Ensign salutes even a LTJG on the ship. They get butthurt when we don't salute them. Fly Navy!
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I don't understand the question. The chain of command clearly shows a 1st Lt as senior to a 2nd Lt. therefore rating a salute from all of lower rank. Does the Army have a different criteria for company grade officers?
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CPT Hugh Rhodes
Captains in the Army are company grade and 1st and 2nd LTs render them salutes. The LTs do not salute each other at least when I was in (late 80s). I was an Armor officer but I don't think it mattered then what branch you were in.
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Sgt Michael Clifford
In the Marine Corps Captains, and 1st and 2nd Lieutenant's. are all company grade officers
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I was a Mustang 2ndLT. I never had a problem of not being saluted. Same ? should a Lt.Col. salute a Col? The regs are clear on this.
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CPT Hugh Rhodes
There is a fairly big difference between an Lt. Col and full bird from a time and experience gap. The gap between the two LT ranks is very short and experience wise, the 1st LT understands that the First Sergeant actually runs then company by then.
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Get TF out! Bet you don't mind a Senior Master Sergeant who can run a fueling boom at 20,000feet straight up quicker than a slick dick, who quite possibly cleaned out Kandahar in '03, saluting you. After all where's the difference; the man is senior to you in everything except Rank. For experience you're bent dick broke for a number of years compared to that man until you've paid dues and cleared ranking evals and gotten some scars. He salutes first because [it's really simple so listen up Pilgrim] he is saluting the rank and not the Man. WTFO is so hard to understand about that. You came into the Tribe, put on the skins now live by the traditions or GTF out. Tellya' one thing 2ndLt. if he's wearing CMoH you'll be saluting him at every meeting; got any problem with that?
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CPT Hugh Rhodes
Because traditionally, 2nd LTs don't salute 1st LTs in the Army. Just the way it has been for as long as I can remember. We were taught NOT to salute 1st LTs in Officer basic so if you have a problem with that, take it up with the O-3's and 4s who run the course.
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I tried saluting a 1LT as 2LT, and he told me drop that shit. At the end of the day we are still just LT's, one not better than the other and that that respect is reserved for captains and higher.
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It is simple. The 1st Lt is an 0-2. The 2nd Lt. is an 0-1. The 2nd Lt owes the first 1st Lt a salute as much as that 1st Lt owes a Captain ( 0-3) a salute. Period.
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LT Terry Lober
What would your answer be if the question was posed as follows: " Does an Ensign owe a LT(jg) a salute?"
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Never, ever should a higher ranking officer salute a lower ranking officer first. It is the duty of the lower ranking officer to pay respect towards the higher ranking.
SNCO's in the army wants to be saluted by NCO's in every branch of military service. They are wrong and go as far to be saluted in the field of combat. All Officers and NCO's know that saluting anyone in the combat field is wrong, exercise or war conditions.
SNCO's in the army wants to be saluted by NCO's in every branch of military service. They are wrong and go as far to be saluted in the field of combat. All Officers and NCO's know that saluting anyone in the combat field is wrong, exercise or war conditions.
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