Posted on Mar 22, 2014
SGT Suraj Dave
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I think it is very necessary.

 

As a young 19 year old PFC, I had a real tough time listening to an NCO who could not spell simple words, do simple math, or understand simple logic. I always had to second guess myself following this NCO's orders, wondering if this leader even thought the scenario through he/she was sending us to? Would we be reprimanded by another NCO? Just be wasting our time? End up looking stupid ourselves? Taking this NCO's training seriously was even tougher, because in the various minds of the lower enlisted soldiers, this NCO was an idiot. In addition to just losing confidence in our NCO, we also lost our confidence in the promotion system.

Now I am not saying we need to be geniuses, or anything ... but I think being proficient at high school level English and math would be beneficial. Keep current ASVAB scores for MOS's as they are, but make a pre-req for a certain score before going to a promotion board (Which will be the same across all MOS's, but naturally in certain MOS's, the fact you qualified for the MOS in general would mean you already meet that pre-req). Those who do not meet the score, take FAST class until they make it, or they never get to lead soldiers.

 

What do you think?

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I don't agree with the minimum ASVAB score to be an NCO.  Where would you draw the line there are many MOS that require above 95 just to be MOS qualified.  What we should do is place more emphasis on the NCO schools  WLC, ALC, SLC.  Maybe set up a different point structure for promotion for graduating these courses. 
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1SG Steven Stankovich
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What would be your suggested minimum GT score to become an NCO?  Would there be any kind of waiver for that?  Maybe something along the lines of having an AA or a BA, or maybe achieving DHG or CL at WLC? 
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SGT Suraj Dave
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MSG, I believe in our enlisted world, a degree is nothing more then some promotion points on your 3355. I don't think you need a degree to be proficient at basic level Math, English, and logic.

I think leaders must come together and agree upon what is considered "Everyday" use of Math and English, then change the ASVAB or create another test for this. Once the test is created, make sure all leaders must pass it. If you don't initially pass the test, it is no big deal. What's the RCP nowadays for a non promotable SPC? 8-10 years I think I recall. If you cant pass this test, Thanks for your 8-10 years of service.

Is this system perfect? No. There are leaders out there who are amazing and can lead soldiers but cant do 2 step algebra. Agreed, it happens. Usually though, it doesn't.

Mental fitness is as important as BRM and PT in my book. Just as leaders go to the range to become more proficient at BRM, and conduct PT daily be mission ready, leaders should also continually be working on mental fitness. Do it on your own, or if your below standard go to FAST CLASS.

Mental fitness does NOT mean a college education. Is College good? Absolutely. But it is not always feasible in certain units. If your command does not give you time for your courses, you will end up being panelized and paying out of pocket. I watched this happen to many people, so I never took a college course while in the Army. My money meant tou much to me, and I knew as much as my Commander promised ample time to complete your courses, your other leadership wont respect that promise. Pursuing college courses was too risky for me when I was in. 
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Part of being an NCO is not necessarily how intelligent you are, but rather how well you are able to lead others. There is a reason that all military writing should be proofread, because not everyone can be an English major. With that being said I do not see having a good ASVAB score will guarantee that an individual is able to spell well, or if that person even has common sense, of which there is still no test for. I think you might have just had that one person who slipped through the cracks. Unfortunately there will never be a 100% perfect way to determine if anyone will be a good NCO.
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SGT Suraj Dave
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You don't need to be an English major to spell words correctly or form basic sentences.
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MSG Combat Engineering Senior Sergeant
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Yeah.. this whole ASVAB thing in my opinion really sucks.  I can't tell you how many people that I have meet in my career who had over a 110 gt score and did not know much of anything.  It sucks that you have to have a 110 to do almost anything now a day in the Army.  My GT score is less that a 100 but I was still able to go to Drill Sergeant School and I know for a fact im in the top 10% of all Drill Sergeants in the Battalion, and I went to Master Fitness which was a 110 GT score requirement and I passed it without any problems.  When you taken a test over 10 years ago and have flawless NCOER's with multiple deployments then I can't understand how that GT score would hurt you as a leader.  Just my opinion.  And to those who say go to fast class... yeah not happened for me in the last 10 years.  Maybe one day though but someone has to train the joes.
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SGT Suraj Dave
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SSG, I truly believe that you are capable of making a 110 GT score if you took the FAST class. I had one of my soldiers take FAST class and he significantly increased his GT score. 
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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SGT Dave, I have met some really smart soldiers and NCOs who were great leaders but their GT scores were below 110.  Mine is a 109 but don't let that full you.  The ASVAB is only for job placement and while it tests basic high school education, whether its a high or low GT score, you will get your toolboxes with a GT score 110 or higher yet they lack social or people skills in order to properly communicate with others. 
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SGT Suraj Dave
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Again, it doesn't have to be the ASVAB. I just tossed the ASVAB out there because its a test that already exists. It can be any kind of test which tests "Everyday Knowledge".
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