Posted on Mar 22, 2016
SFC Ken Heise
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Tell my why we should keep Soldiers in who take FOREVER with multiple attempts to qualify with their assigned weapon but chapter Soldiers out who fail TWO record APFTs in a row.

I say if you can't hit the broad side of a barn with one hand touching the barn you need to look at other avenues of employment.
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SFC Harry H.
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Soldiers can still do amazing things without ever hitting the broad side of a barn and some without firing a weapon at all. Muhammad Ali was a conscientious objectors and we all know how great he was. Desmond Doss, Hacksaw Ridge is one that comes to mind. I feel that shooting and PT are slightly different. If I am to slow or weak to arrive at the cutting edge of battle then I am 100% no good to anyone. Shooting targets at 500M - 300M is a tough task. Give that physically fit Soldier a Saw or 240, problem solved.
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SGT Carl Blas
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The student isn't the reason, it's the teacher who failed.
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COL Deputy G2
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Well what’s the MOS? Why are they not qualifing? MOS, are they ever going to fire that weapon? Is it for self defense or assaulting an objective. Not qualified on weapon, how much time have you spent training this Soldier? What have you tried?
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SFC Donald Souza
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Yes
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SGM Bill Frazer
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Technically there is a way to chapter them for failing to be qualified in their MOS- you would have to hunt for it.
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CW3 Kevin Storm
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Okay what is causing this, have you done the simple dime washer test, Told him to get some civilian practice out at a range. Use the steady hold factors, As a leader we have to eliminate everything else before we decide that he should be chaptered. I am from the school of what other qualities does this person bring tot the table. Are they proficient in their given MOS, are they good to go in PT. has he been sent for a eye exam, is he near sighted/far sighted? Does he need sun glasses when he shoots, can he shoot with one eye open (some people can't) has the unit marksman worked with the individual. There are a lot of variables in this one.
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SPC David Willis
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We don't train enough and some leaders don't know how to teach.
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SPC David Willis
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In my opinion both rifle training and physical training are pointless as they are set up currently. Im sorry but running two miles in tennis shoes, shorts and a T-shirt is in no way indicative of whether or not I can put a buddy over my shoulders and carry what equates to a 200 lb sack of potatoes half a click to a CCP. Doing 80 pushups doesn't mean I can magically slap 50 pounds on my back and walk 8 miles up a mountain side. Laying down and taking my time to shoot 38 out of 40 in no way makes me an expert with my rifle or even a better infantryman than the guy next to me who can shoot 30 out of 40.
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SFC Pete Kain
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Tell them it's their mouse. Point and Click. Not that damn hard. SMH

Actually the biggest problem in my view is ..... So many young people are afraid of things that go BANG.
We as a Nation need to bring back H.S. shooting clubs.
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SSG Jeremy Kohlwes
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In a combat MOS maybe, especially Infantry. However, most support jobs have so little need for that knowledge I wouldn't be suprised if many of them fail multiple times until they just get lucky. You can argue that anyone can end up in combat. However, as an Infantryman myself, when I had a non-combat soldier along, I usually told them to keep their head down and save their ammo for us if we get into trouble.
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