Posted on Mar 27, 2014
Should a Soldier with a P-3 profile be eligible for Commission if found Fit-for-Duty with qualifications.
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I have had a really tough time getting a solid answer as to why I am unable to submit an ODC packet. I have a P-3 profile and take no events on the APFT. However, I have been medically boarded and found fit for duty, but my specialized condition is why I do not perform any events on the APFT. I maintain ht/wt standards and participate in ALL physical activities to include physical training except the APFT. Why is it that I can remain enlisted and get promoted but can't get commissioned? I can potentially be a SGM in less than 10 years, but I can't get commissioned as a 2LT. Who can I contact to get solid answers. Recruiters and career counselors have provided very minimal feedback without any regulations to justify their responses?
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One of those things that doesn't translate well from one service to another. I'm a Sailor a P-3 is a Maritime Reconn Plane.
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SSG Mike Angelo
Hi PO1 William,
The Army acronym PULHES; P=physical, U=upper, L=lower, H=hearing, E=eyes, S=psych, 1 in each is desirable, hence 111111 is a picket fence.
The Army acronym PULHES; P=physical, U=upper, L=lower, H=hearing, E=eyes, S=psych, 1 in each is desirable, hence 111111 is a picket fence.
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SFC Ellis, <div><br></div><div>Below you will find the extract from the 600-100 (Appointment of Commissioned and Warrant Officers in the Regular Army. Initial Commissioning appointments are similar to initial enlistment appointments. You couldn't have joined the Army in your current profile state; thus, when commissioning (initially) you must meet those requirements. You will notice that there is an exception upon being commissioned (similar to enlisted, you maybe considered qualified if you are found for duty. </div><div><br></div><div>Another limiting factor SFC Ellis may also be your time in service. There are currently no waivers for TIS greater than 10 years at the time of commissioning. While I disagree with the current process of commissioning for prior enlisted. I do respect and understand that these policies exists and they do not determine your potential to serve in the capacity as a 2LT. It just eliminates your ability to apply for the position. For example, a U.S. person born abroad can never hold a position of the United States President but can be a Governor. Is that a limitation on that person's potential to serve in the capacity of being a President? Of course not; however, it does follow the laws of our founding fathers. Good Luck in your journey to commission. Please update the board if you find an exception to this policy as I am curious as well. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>AR 600-100 (Appointment of Commissioned and Warrant Officers in the Regular Army) </div><div>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt; font-family: 'Helvetica'; font-weight: 700">1–6. Medical and fitness standards
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<p><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt; font-family: 'Times'; font-style: italic">a. </span><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt; font-family: 'Times'">An original appointment as a commissioned officer in the RA may be given only to a person who is physically
qualified for active service (see 10 USC 532(a)(4)). At the time of commissioning, individuals must meet medical
fitness standards in accordance with Army Regulation (AR) 40–501 and height and weight standards in accordance
with AR 600–9.
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<p><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt; font-family: 'Times'; font-style: italic">b. </span><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt; font-family: 'Times'">A person is medically qualified if no physical profile designator exceeds “3.” If a physical profile designator of
“4” exists, the person is disqualified, unless one of the following conditions exists:
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<p><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt; font-family: 'Times'">(1) A physical evaluation board has determined the person “fit for duty.”
(2) A waiver has been granted in accordance with AR 635–40.</span></p><p><br></p><p><b style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><font size="3"><span style="font-size: 16px; line-height: 19px;">Milper Message Number 13-180<br></span></font></b><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px;">REGULAR ARMY FEDERAL OFFICER CANDIDATE SCHOOL PROGRAM PANEL AND REQUIREMENTS FOR FY 14</span><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px;"><br></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px;">Also states that people who fall into the category below cannot apply for OCS. </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px;"><br></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px;">J. SOLDIERS THAT REQUIRE WAIVERS FOR MEDICAL ISSUES OR ARE ENROLLED UNDER THE CONTINUATION OF </span><br soft="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px;">ACTIVE DUTY (COAD) PROGRAM.</span><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt; font-family: 'Times'"><br></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt; font-family: 'Times'"> </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt; font-family: 'Helvetica'; font-weight: 700">1–6. Medical and fitness standards
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<p><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt; font-family: 'Times'; font-style: italic">a. </span><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt; font-family: 'Times'">An original appointment as a commissioned officer in the RA may be given only to a person who is physically
qualified for active service (see 10 USC 532(a)(4)). At the time of commissioning, individuals must meet medical
fitness standards in accordance with Army Regulation (AR) 40–501 and height and weight standards in accordance
with AR 600–9.
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<p><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt; font-family: 'Times'; font-style: italic">b. </span><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt; font-family: 'Times'">A person is medically qualified if no physical profile designator exceeds “3.” If a physical profile designator of
“4” exists, the person is disqualified, unless one of the following conditions exists:
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<p><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt; font-family: 'Times'">(1) A physical evaluation board has determined the person “fit for duty.”
(2) A waiver has been granted in accordance with AR 635–40.</span></p><p><br></p><p><b style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><font size="3"><span style="font-size: 16px; line-height: 19px;">Milper Message Number 13-180<br></span></font></b><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px;">REGULAR ARMY FEDERAL OFFICER CANDIDATE SCHOOL PROGRAM PANEL AND REQUIREMENTS FOR FY 14</span><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px;"><br></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px;">Also states that people who fall into the category below cannot apply for OCS. </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px;"><br></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px;">J. SOLDIERS THAT REQUIRE WAIVERS FOR MEDICAL ISSUES OR ARE ENROLLED UNDER THE CONTINUATION OF </span><br soft="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px;">ACTIVE DUTY (COAD) PROGRAM.</span><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt; font-family: 'Times'"><br></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt; font-family: 'Times'"> </span></p>
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Thanks for the detailed response! Not to mention, thanks for an updated regulation. I was never informed of the 10 year service cutoff until now, but I could get my profile modified to a P-2. I just need to know what modifications I need to make. For instance, if I did the walk or bike event would that suffice?
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SFC Ellis,
For all enlisted to commissioning programs:
OCS, ROTC: you can have a P2 profile as long as your profile does not exempt you from any event of the Standard APFT, no alternatives are permitted.
Direct Commission: you might be able to get waiver but your education has to align you with one of our critically needed specialities.
A good rule of thumb is that if you want a commission you must have the same physical readiness for an initial appointment for commissioning as someone coming in from the recruiting office to be competitive.
For all enlisted to commissioning programs:
OCS, ROTC: you can have a P2 profile as long as your profile does not exempt you from any event of the Standard APFT, no alternatives are permitted.
Direct Commission: you might be able to get waiver but your education has to align you with one of our critically needed specialities.
A good rule of thumb is that if you want a commission you must have the same physical readiness for an initial appointment for commissioning as someone coming in from the recruiting office to be competitive.
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SSG Mike Angelo
Check out the Chaplain Corps. If you have an advance degree in Theology, Ministry or the like, direct commissioning maybe possible.
I dont know about the 10 year rule, but it makes sense. As an NCO, one has been shaped and modeled in an overall condition that may be more long term to change over time those habits and attributes.
I dont know about the 10 year rule, but it makes sense. As an NCO, one has been shaped and modeled in an overall condition that may be more long term to change over time those habits and attributes.
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SFC Ellis, good question, without getting into the details of Army regs (we'll save that for the Army professionals), I'd first ask if you've considered going Warrant Officer, and do you know if the physical requirements are the same as for commissioning? Also, have you, or would you, consider cross-service commissioning? If so, the physical requirements in another uniformed service may be different than those currently held by the Army. Just a couple of thoughts to consider...
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Col (Join to see)
You're welcome, no problem at all; if you have any questions that you'd prefer to discuss offline, please feel free to send me a direct message. Hopefully we can get some input from SMEs on the Army option. Also, of the cross-service options, do you have a preferred service? Just trying to get a sight picture so we can bring some expert advice into the conversation...
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Col (Join to see)
Good to go, very good to do, particularly at this point in career and with upcoming drawdown on our heels...
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