Posted on Sep 10, 2015
COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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Should a Vietnam veteran be denied pain pills after testing positive for marijuana?

Another great article from Kim Bolen RN CCM ACM!

What do you say RP Members about this? What's your opinion? This is definitely a very touchy subject in the country right now with Veterans who are suffering from PTSD. Here are some additional articles in reference to the use of Marijuana for the treatment of PTSD:

http://www.leafscience.com/2013/11/11/dr-sue-sisley-explains-hope-marijuana-ptsd-video/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/10/why-did-america-s-only-pot-researcher-suddenly-get-fired.html

http://naturalsociety.com/marijuana-backed-studies-fda-approved-pharma-drugs/

http://www.infowars.com/marijuana-kills-cancer-says-national-cancer-institute/

http://www.leafscience.com/2014/07/25/u-s-government-patent-marijuana/

http://ksn.com/2015/09/09/vietnam-veteran-denied-pain-pills-after-testing-positive-for-marijuana/
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LCpl Elvin Johnson
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Give him his pain meds and marijuana!!!! This is what will improve his quality of LIFE!!!! What ever he needs....GIVE IT TO HIM....
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SGT Infantryman (Airborne)
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It depends on the doctor and the state. You need to let the VA know if you are going to smoke marijuana, or are already smoking it. Since different states are allowing medical marijuana, I read that is the way the VA is handling it. Here's a good link for more information.

http://kdvr.com/2014/05/08/marijuana-use-wont-disqualify-u-s-veteran-for-healthcare/
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Cpl Kirk    Lurch Davis
Cpl Kirk Lurch Davis
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No, my wife was told "if you have a source for marijuana use it", and I was told the same privately (by the same team of doctors). I have two sources and used those sources for my wife's benefit. Marijuana helps pain management, appetite, blood counts, blood flow, but we are taught otherwise.
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SGT Infantryman (Airborne)
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Cpl Kirk Lurch Davis, I have read and heard that many times, so it's got to be true. I quit cigarette smoking a long time ago. The main thing I'm concerned about is if it harms the lungs. I guess if it doesn't I might try it. Several vets here have said it makes them feel physically and mentally better. If it helps my PTSD and depression, I'll go for it. I would have to keep it private so my grandkids won't think it's ok for them. I'll have to study about it.
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Cpl Kirk    Lurch Davis
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SGT (Join to see) - Sgt Keith Bodine....find a local head shop and get a vaporizer. Before you laugh, I spent $120.00 on a small wooden (box) vaporizer and it was the best $120.00 spent. Battery operated and both types of screens available (I do not know the difference/purpose between the two types of screens). Press battery and when the light is lit inhale. No smoke and no major obstacles. Truly worked wonders for my wife.
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SGT Infantryman (Airborne)
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WOW! Thanks Lurch. I'll look it up on line right now. BTW, I flew with a pilot that was nicknamed Lurch. He kinda looked like him too. Lol
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SPC Shawn Clarke
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Granted I live in Colorado where it is legal, but I believe he is trying to receive help with any means necessary, and for him to go to them for help, no he should not be denied, I self medicate, because I am still waiting to get back on my meds. But ever since I have been self-medicating ,I feel 10 times better then I ever did when I was medicated by the VA.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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SPC Shawn Clarke Thanks for sharing!
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SPC Shawn Clarke
SPC Shawn Clarke
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Roger that!! Sir
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GySgt John Gardner
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No he should not be denied. Furthermore, if it helps his quality of life and helps with the pain why not!
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SCPO Penny Douphinett
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This is such a tough area. When I was a practicing clinical psychotherapist I dealt with this at least once a week with my patients with chronic pain. They would be on pain meds and also smoking pot. When narcotics contracts became common we would talk about the risks. My patients also suffered from mental illness, depression, anxiety, PTSD (civilians) and all would become enraged at the thought of having to stop smoking. Eventually most would "pop positive" and would be shocked when their doctor would stop their pain meds. For many this is a lifestyle choice as in "no one can tell me what I can or can't do" and when Maine became a legal MJ State they then tried to become legal experts.

The outcome is the same though. Once someone has signed a narcotics contract they have agreed to certain conditions to obtain the pain meds they need. One of them is no marijuana, legal in their State or not. I believe the VA is doing this to look out for the patient and to cover their ass as ALL doctors do. The main reason though, IMHO, is the billion dollar illegal drug trade in the country.

I am also on VA provided pain meds and take screening tests whenever asked. I was once threatened with stopping pain meds because my tests showed I hadn't taken enough pain meds. I was subjected to random pill counting for over 2 years. I had had an unexpected good period of pain control, the first in 10 years! Until that time I was given pain meds as prn, trusted to refill them as needed without a problem. All this was done with a new doctor who didn't know me, he also put me on time released meds for "stricter control". I share this not to be bitter, I think it is a sadly humorous tale of the lengths the medical profession now has to go to because they (doctors, VA, government) fear we are all becoming addicts as we try to manage, in particular, service connected injuries and pain.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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SCPO Penny Douphinett Thank you for sharing your story, insight, and opinion on the matter.
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PO1 Glenn Boucher
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Its hard to really say because did the veteran use marijuana because the pain was so excessive? I know there are hundreds of studies saying that the THC in marijuana has pain controlling management properties and can actually help people suffering chronic pain.
I don't know the effects of mixing prescription pain medication with marijuana and I would bet there are studies out there both positive and negative.
Veterans suffering pain need help and I think that the VA needs to do more.
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TSgt Aerospace Propulsion Craftsman
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Reading the article it sounds like it was a medical decision. Should a doctor be somehow compelled to prescribe incompatible drugs that will harm their patient? Should they provide prescriptions for drugs with unknown interactions, which this would be since a herbal product like marijuana is going to be unknown strength and composition? Can someone guarantee no malpractice suits will be filed if it goes bad?
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SGT Jerrold Pesz
SGT Jerrold Pesz
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The guy has stage 4 cancer. He is dying. He will be dead very soon no matter what drugs that he takes. All that we are doing is forcing him to spend the rest of his life suffering. aOf course there are no clinical studies on the effectiveness of marijuana. The government doesn't allow them. However I have known two people who died of cancer in recent years and both told me that marijuana was the only thing that really helped so they were buying it from a street dealer. Neither was a smoker and neither had ever used drugs. They tried it as a last resort and both said that it worked. I believe them.

As a side note if the guy was a crack whore getting free medical care she would not be cut off.
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CW3 Kevin Storm
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Living in CA, I see signs by NG unit for "suffering from PTSD, get you medical Marijuana, see DrXXXX" which quite frankly pisses me off in more ways than you can imagine. 1. its location near a National Guard unit that has a lot of people who have done multiple deployments is tasteless. 2. making money off some Vet's PTSD in this manner, make me want to Keel haul this guy, and I was never in the Navy. 3. It is still illegal for service members to partake in this stuff. 4. Side effects of marijuana anxiety, why the frack would we give something to people who suffer from anxiety already?

So with regards to our Vietnam vets, He is on an opiate and wants to take marijuana. The VA is protecting itself, as I doubt there has been a study on this to prove the long and short term benefits. I have to side with the VA on this.
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SFC Cary Jeffery
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Is it medicine prescription from private doctor for Glaucoma? Is the Glaucoma considerd service connected disability?
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CW3 Kevin Storm
CW3 Kevin Storm
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Read the article, not legal in Kansas.
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MSG Brad Sand
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SFC Cary Jeffery
No and no, at least from the story as reported. It appears he has been self medicating for 40, plus, years and somehow has lung cancer after filling his lungs with smoke for all this time? Wow, how did that happen? Now he is shocked when the doctors are requiring him to stick to his drug protocols? Kind of like an alcoholic drinking when they are taking strong pain meds...they tell you not to because it will kill you. Then at the end of it all, they are probably not really happy with a lung cancer patient continuing to smoke?
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MAJ Security Cooperation Planner
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There is some potential that recognition of the medicinal benefits will be forthcoming. Politics has blocked substantial research since it was first banned. The official VA position is currently:
"Marijuana use for medical conditions is an issue of growing concern. Some Veterans use marijuana to relieve symptoms of PTSD and several states specifically approve the use of medical marijuana for PTSD. However, controlled studies have not been conducted to evaluate the safety or effectiveness of medical marijuana for PTSD. Thus, there is no evidence at this time that marijuana is an effective treatment for PTSD. In fact, research suggests that marijuana can be harmful to individuals with PTSD. :
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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MAJ (Join to see) Thanks for the additional informatiion and shaing the link.
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