Posted on Jul 13, 2015
CW3 Kevin Storm
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When I was in Iraq, I had to go down to Talil AFB. I saw the Italian Army was there and having worked with them for three years decided to go to their PX. I went over there and low and behold their PX was 80 percent alcohol. Here we were in a so called Muslim country, we were forbidden from having any but our allies could have what they wanted. So do you think this is something we should continue doing or should we work on our morale and keep the drinking on base?
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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CW3 Kevin Storm I'm going to be the bad guy here - It is what it is! Unfortunately I'm glad as a former Commander down range that we have GO1 in place. I gave up alcohol completely back in 2011 when my second wife crashed her motorcycle and ended up in Intensive Care for (10) days and 76 staples in her head later. By the way she was a confirmed alcoholic, so I guess I'm really against the alcohol thing altogether. When I was on active duty some soldiers stole the Brigade Commander's jeep on Fort Ord and went joy riding after a stand down in the field with beer, resulting in a completely destroyed jeep and all of us standing in our underwear getting checked scrapes and bruises. Then I left active duty and went into the National Guard and got chewed out by a Captain because I didn't have his beer on ice out on a filed exercise (I was shocked) as an NCO. I didn't mind having a drink when off duty just like any soldier, but I was glad the GO1 was in place and I hope it stays there. It's one less thing you have to worry about as a Commander. There are always going to be those soldiers that can't hold their beer or liquor and those that turn into the toughest guy on the planet, and those that want to do something crazy and stupid. Don’t' get me wrong the majority of our young men and women would do just fine, but like I said I think its good to have in place and keeps everyone focused for 12 months or 8 months (however long the boots are on the ground now). Many will disagree and say that I have some very good reasons for not wanting it, but that is just my opinion as a former leader. I've seen a lot of young soldiers admitted to rehab for alcohol abuse, as well as drugs.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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SGT Jinger Jarrett I just feel its bad during any conflict or war (in the combat zone), during peacetime is another story - those are just my personal feelings
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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SGT Jinger Jarrett Amen - exactly!
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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SGT Jinger Jarrett Hey, no worrries its all good. That's the nice thing about RP everyone is definitely entitled to their opinions and can really express them openly. Have a great day!
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There are better places than a (combat) deployment to find out someone in the unit abuses alcohol.
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SGM Steve Wettstein
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In a controlled environment I see no reason a beer or two would be a problem. People will say some will find a way to abuse it. Well, people already get it while they are deployed right now. So establish some controls and keep it safe.
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SGM Matthew Quick
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No...people will find a way to abuse it.
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Mission should dictate the use and limitations. Not all deployments are the same. Not all deployments are combat related.
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SSG Nuclear Security Officer
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I won’t go as far as to say it hurts morale, but it hurts moral. I was deployed on a base with 200 Germans, 150 Italians, 200 French, Swiss and several other countries. Guess what, the 50 Americans couldn’t drink but EVERYone else could and did. Heck the French had a “shack” right beside my billet and I listened to them having fun every night. I’m not a huge drinker, but I like a beer after work, two at the most. It was ridiculous to the point of extreme that we were the <10% on the post that couldn’t have a beer.
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I would like to qualify my answer just a little more. I do support alcohol on deployment. I also support the fair and impartial use of the UCMJ for those that CHOOSE not to act like a mature individual and screw something up while drinking. I’m trusting a young man or woman to carry a gun, run into harm’s way, kill another human being and possibly save my life. I would like to trust them to make other normal responsible decisions and blow off a little steam after work with a beer if they so choose.
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SSG Christopher Freeman
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I say no because so few of us can act like adults
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You should have seen the bar on Basra that only the PRT compound had. Civilian contractors and the PRT military folk (US military included) had at quite a bit of alcohol to choose from in that bar.
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LCDR Thomas Doherty (USNR-R Ret)
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Yep, and the British bar, too.
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SGT Bryon Sergent
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people have there anyway. I knew a guy that have about 3 or 4 fifths of wild turkey. he busted 3 of them to redeploy back to the states
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SGT Edward Thomas
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Moderation.
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MSG Giovani DeJesus
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That's easy to say to someone who is an alcoholic.
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SGT Edward Thomas
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I do agree. But from my four combat deployments, we had hard corps alcoholics that found a way around GO #1 and they made their own wine, or drank NyQuil. One deployment I was on we had to sign for our 2 beers. That is one way to accomplish that.
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MSG Giovani DeJesus
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Of course they find a way, that's why you shouldn't have alcohol readily available. You can also sign for your 2 drinks but if someone doesn't drink then they'll ask that person for their 2 drinks as well.
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MSG Giovani DeJesus
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I say no, I barely drink so it's not a problem for me. Some say that we should have alcohol in a controlled environment but the problem is and it's sad to say, some will find a way to abuse it and some do not know how to act when drinking. Abusing alcohol in general is a problem, now you have someone abusing it while deployed, in possession of a weapon and ammunition, definitely not a good environment for alcohol.
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SSgt Charles Edwards
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From my time in the desert, I knew the current system was being abused. Ration cards being loaned out, bartender being chummy with certain people (especially those desert queens) all saw a few people consuming more than they were authorized. To my knowledge, this did not result in any kind of punishment because it was really discreet. However, I believe the mission rests on the clarity and sound judgment of the troops who are in place to get the job done. It's counterproductive to be under the influence and trying to to your job.
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