Posted on May 23, 2017
Should All Able Americans Be Required To Know the Constitution that we pledge our lives to defend?
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While troops and Vets come from varied political ideologies, One thing most of us agree upon is the sanctity of our Constitution. I believe that we as a people are losing national cohesion because we are not required to know the content of the document and supporting doc.s that bind us all together as Americans
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Back in my day we were schooled on this throughout middle school and high school. It wouldn't surprise me if they leave it out or pervert it these days..
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You have to define what "know the Constitution" means. Does it mean rote memorization of the words, in the right sequence? The dates it was ratified, who and how it was written, how it has been amended etc.
I think there is a real value in instruction in school on our founding, our founding documents, the concepts of liberty and rights endowed by our creator, the American experiment, our government and institutions etc. We used to have classes on American History, American Democracy, Civics etc that taught all of these things. For some reason, we have abandoned them and what has filled the void is a poor substitute.
We have millions of people that think they know what their rights are, although most don't, but they have no concept of responsibilities.
So yes, it should be taught in grade school, high school, college etc. Some sit through these classes and still end up with precious little knowledge of the founding documents. While you can require a class or two, making someone learn it correctly and apply it correctly are different matters.
I think there is a real value in instruction in school on our founding, our founding documents, the concepts of liberty and rights endowed by our creator, the American experiment, our government and institutions etc. We used to have classes on American History, American Democracy, Civics etc that taught all of these things. For some reason, we have abandoned them and what has filled the void is a poor substitute.
We have millions of people that think they know what their rights are, although most don't, but they have no concept of responsibilities.
So yes, it should be taught in grade school, high school, college etc. Some sit through these classes and still end up with precious little knowledge of the founding documents. While you can require a class or two, making someone learn it correctly and apply it correctly are different matters.
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I'd say that comprehension of the constitution should be a prerequisite to voting- and I think that it should be mandatory study during basic training for SMs. So the answer is yes.
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SGT Bryan O'Reilly
Outstanding, answer! I contend that the single weakest point is the 2nd amendment. As we become more gentrified it becomes more tenuous. We all know folks who are over armed and under trained. I had to plead with a neighbor here some years back to please get rid of the .357 mag he was brandishing in our apt building and replace it with a shotgun as he was more likely to kill a bystander with an errant shot than an intruder and the ballistic power meant it would go through anything in its path. I further contend, that if we continue with these mass shootings we are not going to have the option as it will be unarmed outraged American Moms who believe their child's right to live trumps my right to keep and bear arms that I no longer need nor am I sufficiently trained to use. This would be a populist wave we would be unable tp prevent and after they were done singing Kumbaya would come the realization that they have just set the precedent needed to undermine the rest of their freedoms. This is why we must be proactive.
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PFC Jonathan Albano
SGT Bryan O'Reilly - I hold a different belief. I personally think the 2nd is vital to our culture. With that said, I think that too many people see it as a cop out for allowing people to buy ANY weapon they want and, to be honest, I don't think that was the framers' intent. "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
"well regulated militia" The states have their part in the second amendment. They can establish minimum qualifications for ownership of a firearm primarily through requiring training on the proper use of the weapon you wish to possess. What they can't do is outright ban them. "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." One thing I will point out, in this respect, is that this falls under states rights which means that the fed has no business in gun control. It's not the amendment that is weak, but rather the enforcement of it by the states.
Shootings are a tragedy, however, most seem to happen in areas that the use of firearms is a Federal offense. Taking firearms away only ensures the law abiding citizen doesn't posses one when they need it most.
"well regulated militia" The states have their part in the second amendment. They can establish minimum qualifications for ownership of a firearm primarily through requiring training on the proper use of the weapon you wish to possess. What they can't do is outright ban them. "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." One thing I will point out, in this respect, is that this falls under states rights which means that the fed has no business in gun control. It's not the amendment that is weak, but rather the enforcement of it by the states.
Shootings are a tragedy, however, most seem to happen in areas that the use of firearms is a Federal offense. Taking firearms away only ensures the law abiding citizen doesn't posses one when they need it most.
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SGT Bryan O'Reilly
I also support the 2nd amendment. But I believe that unless we proactively take steps to protect it, i.e. Require small arms cert, and training as a part of the constitutional training module, instilling the basics at an early age to demystify it we risk losing it via a combination of over armed under trained zealots who would be no match for unarmed outraged American moms who believe their kids right to life trumps my right to keep and bear a weapon I no longer need nor am adequately qualified to use.
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PFC Jonathan Albano
SGT Bryan O'Reilly - I agree with the sentiment. Regardless, such a change would have to be done by the individual states as it's the states' job to both train aspiring firearm owners and determine who in their state is allowed to vote. As such, there is no way to force it into becoming the national standard without violating the very document that we would be requiring the voter base to become experts on.
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LOL Our elected officials don't even know it.
I think everyone should have been exposed to it and have at least have some basic knowledge of it.
I think everyone should have been exposed to it and have at least have some basic knowledge of it.
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SGT Bryan O'Reilly
I believe anyone aspiring to higher office should be required to sign an affidavit that they understand and will abide by its writing.
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I would go one step further. Maybe instead of the pledge of allegiance, they recite sections or maybe full articles of the constitution. Or even a new optional pledge to the constitution. Optional because not all residents of the US are citizens and swearing allegiance to a country could be considered a renunciation of citizenship to their native country. Just a thought.
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I'd be really happy if all military members knew it also. But to the point, US History is taught in most schools in 8th and 11th grade. Kids are taught our founding documents at that time. That doesn't mean they actually learn anything...
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Thank you, RP family. I have tried to keep this thread as apolitical as possible because I see this as a growing threat to all our freedoms. Case in point. the 2nd amendment is not a privilege it is a birthright. and with 300m weapons estimated to be in the public at any given time, you would think a responsible parent would want to safeguard their children by teaching them small arms safety. because at some point their child will encounter a weapon and the younger they are when taught the less their likelihood of becoming fascinated by them later Yet a great number of Americans do not make the connection. I believe the constitution should be part of pub school curricula and that upon graduating high school Americans should have to take a citizenship test. If they do not want to have their kid learn safety then they should be required to sign a waiver but the rest of the const. we should be as fluent in as basic math and English.
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It was taught to me by my Father, then in school and you had to pass the course.
That being said you can't force people in a free society to learn anything. Doors may be closed to them, but you can't force them to comply, legally.
That being said you can't force people in a free society to learn anything. Doors may be closed to them, but you can't force them to comply, legally.
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