Posted on Apr 9, 2017
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Some officers are meant to command and lead, and others probably should never be allowed the opportunity. I'm a witness to the case of an ousted ex-commander now working as a staff-O "leading" a highly technical department - his lack of technical competence and inability to mentor and lead others is obvious. Should such an officer be "encouraged" to separate or retire early to make room?
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TSgt Steve Wheeler
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Wow, most of the time quality decisions are made in the military. But, about 25% of the time morons that possess zero common sense effect careers with lasting negative consequences.
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COL Deputy G2
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Sure you can encourage them to leave. But really, you need to know why the person was relived. Was it b aide someone, an LT, in the command did something stupid and they had to punish a responsible official. Or was of just overall failures of the unit. Maybe a toxic environment. Just because an officer has a bad command doesn’t mean they have no worth to the organization as a whole. If an NCO gets a company article 15 should he/she be kicked out of the Army? Clearly can’t follow rules so how could they be expected to train the standards to jr enlisted if he/she can’t follow them?
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PO1 Lee Conway
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There is a huge difference between officers and leaders.
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Cpl Bryon Larson
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Here is my take as a Marine for what it is worth. All Officer, SNCO, and NCO our in a leadership roll if it’s over a section to Regiment. If they can not not make sound judgement time and again for the mission and there people then they need to get the boot. Men’s and women’s lives our in there hands and there action effect these lives. One last thing is that not all in the military can lead and with rank comes much responsibility.
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MSG Chief SIGINT Sergeant
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The service should Bring or add the SP 5,6,7,8,9 for NCOs or officers who can’t lead. They can perform better in their expertises. Why have to assign them the leadership positions?
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SMSgt Combat Medic
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Leadership is a phenomenal attribute which can not be appointed or achieved through education. I personally know great leaders who were reprimanded for doing what was right for their people and mission, because leadership above them was terrible. Real leadership, in my opinion is: don't read a book and tell somone how to accomplish a task.... show them through your own expertise and experieve!! Stand up fot your people, take the hit, if it is the right thing. Be humble and realize how important one word or action may be to a young subordinate. Treat everyone with respect. And, if necessary, be willing to give everything you have, stay calm, make decisions with confidence and lead!!!
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LTC Jeff Shearer
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Frank I am sure that there are reasons which could make a difference HOWEVER, if you were received of command, no. The truth is some O's are better than others. I was very lucky in that none of Officers I have ever worked for, with or worked for me were ever bad officers. I, SF always expected a lot from its O's and NCO's but if you are a problem for SF do you need to go and be a problem for armor?

Frank as I said I am sure details could sway my opinion but that is just kind of how I feel.
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PV2 Mark Zehner
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PV2 Mark Zehner
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I was a police officer aa well and saw many who were guilty of perjury and other consciences continue. This caused massive trust issues within the lower ranks
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CPT Don Kemp
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I had a good friend “relieved” as a 1LT because of a stupid action by troops under his command. He went on to serve 30 years and retired as a fire-breathing 0-6 Colonel. Had the military taken the “no errors” stance in WW II, Patton would never have led III Army.
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SGT Chemical Biological Radiological and Nuclear Operations Specialist
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