Posted on Mar 26, 2018
Should an Officer wear a Driver's Badge that was earned while he was Enlisted?
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I've seen the posts about Officers not wearing qualification badges relating specifically to weapons qual, how they should be experts of everything etc. etc., but I've never heard anyone specifically address the driver's badge. It isn't anything spectacular or anything to write home about, but it is a badge nonetheless and represents a specific knowledge and skill. Thoughts?
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An officer is authorized to wear any badge ever earned, whether while enlisted or while an officer, including marksmanship, driving, and good conduct medal. If the award is in the officer's 201 file, it's game on!
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No regulatory issues, but I haven't seen any officers who were prior enlisted wearing this particular badge. I certainly wouldn't have any issue with an officer wearing any duly earned badge, regardless at what rank he/she earned it.
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Mixed feelings about that. I'm a mustang. While stationed in Korea in 1967-68 as an EM I was sent to Camp Sitman aka Imjin Scout School. Back then it was a 22day 11B program force fed to the trainees with a firehose. It was designed specifically for policing the DMZ. Many 11Bs were there also. All of my tentmates were 11Bs. We also learned to use explosives. I did well in spite of being a field artilleryman and earned the Imjin Scout badge and patch. I never patrolled the "Z" but was on a QRF when we had to deal with a handful of NK infiltrators farther south; missed the action though as we were a blocking element. Back to the subject: we were advised that when we left the 2ID we could no longer wear the insignia as that was a program for 2ID personnel only. Disappointing but it made sense to me. I still treasure the badge and still have one of the patches worn on fatigues and ODs. My completion certificate hangs framed on my den wall along with my commission, OCS diploma, and my C&GS diploma.
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Officers that under take the same challenges as enlisted earnest their respect and fortitude. If they earn a badge then they should be able to wear it. My greatest respect for an Officer goes to LTC Geiss ,27th Maintenance Support, 1st CAV., when he put on coveralls and crawled under a truck with a wrench to help with PMCS. This is what he did.
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He earned the badge (I've never heard of it, but I'm old) he should continue to wear it. Just because he swapped chevrons for bars and stars doesn't take away from an award he has qualified for.
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With service from 1966 to 2006 and going from E-1 to 0-5 in the Army I have some definite opinions on wearing qualifications badges. I first enlisted in 1966, went to Vietnam in 69-69 and separated as a SGT E-5. Iwas commissioned through ROTC in 1972 andI strongly support officers wearing marksmanship related badges the have legitimately earned on the rifle, pistol range. I later served in ODS in 1991 and OIF in 2005-2006 under USAR call ups.
Drivers badges, well that is a different matter. If I was a WO in a truck company I would say definitely. Why, because it related to the work that many of the EM and NCOs (who that WO supervises) does.
Drivers badges, well that is a different matter. If I was a WO in a truck company I would say definitely. Why, because it related to the work that many of the EM and NCOs (who that WO supervises) does.
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Every Soldier has the right to wear the qualification badges that they have been awarded as long as they are current on the qualification. For example you quality expert in rife and later drop down to sharpshooter you wear sharpshooter, if there is no disqualification for a badge such as Air Assault you wear the badge for the duration of your service.
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If you earned it wear it.
That's what the Dress Uniform is about.
Have you not seen an officer with a Drill Sergeant Badge?
Many, often the best, officers have been prior enlisted... also some of the worst officers have been prior enlisted.
The Driver's Badge is a permanent award... many service members opt to not wear temporary qualification badge for a streamlined and often considered more professional look.
When it comes to what goes on the left side of your chest much of it is optional... however, if you wear it be able to prove it.
That's what the Dress Uniform is about.
Have you not seen an officer with a Drill Sergeant Badge?
Many, often the best, officers have been prior enlisted... also some of the worst officers have been prior enlisted.
The Driver's Badge is a permanent award... many service members opt to not wear temporary qualification badge for a streamlined and often considered more professional look.
When it comes to what goes on the left side of your chest much of it is optional... however, if you wear it be able to prove it.
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Regulations don't specifically prohibit officers from wearing Marksmanship Badges although DA PAM 670-1, 20-15b states: ...Soldiers may wear marksmanship badges unless they fail to qualify in accordance with AR 350–1 or are exempt from qualification by Army regulations.
In general, references to "soldiers" usually implies enlisted personnel and not officers. Group 5 badges (Diver badges, Driver and Mechanic Badges, and Parachute Rigger Badges) are usually awarded based on an MOS Qualification. Since the officer does not hold that MOS, or is not employed as a "Driver","Mechanic", or "Operator", it is inappropriate for him or her to wear that badge. In addition, it is generally viewed that an officer who would wear these badges is trying to identify more as an enlisted person than an officer and can effect how an officer is rated. I once knew of an officer that always wore the Drill Sergeant Badge that he earned as an enlisted soldier, and although he was authorized to wear the badge (he had earned it) we believed that this was the discriminating factor that resulted in him not being promoted (once he reached Field Grade level) due to the fact that he wore the badge as part of his DA Photo submitted to the promotion board.
In general, references to "soldiers" usually implies enlisted personnel and not officers. Group 5 badges (Diver badges, Driver and Mechanic Badges, and Parachute Rigger Badges) are usually awarded based on an MOS Qualification. Since the officer does not hold that MOS, or is not employed as a "Driver","Mechanic", or "Operator", it is inappropriate for him or her to wear that badge. In addition, it is generally viewed that an officer who would wear these badges is trying to identify more as an enlisted person than an officer and can effect how an officer is rated. I once knew of an officer that always wore the Drill Sergeant Badge that he earned as an enlisted soldier, and although he was authorized to wear the badge (he had earned it) we believed that this was the discriminating factor that resulted in him not being promoted (once he reached Field Grade level) due to the fact that he wore the badge as part of his DA Photo submitted to the promotion board.
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CPT David Miller
I respectfully beg to differ, sir. In addition to proof that I was operating a government vehicle in a safe and lawful manner, I was often detailed to chauffeur important visitors from the airport to the battalion headquarters or conference sites. It even appears on my DD 214 and comforts my passengers as a Lyft driver.
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CPT (Join to see) overall I have never seen an officer wear any badges for shooting or driving. No real explanation of why, but probably the same reason we do not have Good Conduct Medals, we are expected to be able to have good conduct. So we should be able to shoot and drive, but that is not our main job and in reality if we are shooting or driving that means something went wrong somewhere along the line.
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MAJ Jim Hollingsworth
The Good Conduct Medal (GCM) is authorized for Prior Service. I am OCS. The GCM is listed on my orders and all my DD 214s. And I do understand your logic. Very few officers qualify for the GCM or the NCO Professional Develop Ribbon. Most were never enlisted.
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