Posted on May 28, 2014
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Think objectively. Traditions, camaraderie aside. Both are somewhat similarly more combat-oriented than USN or USAF. Answer practically without putting down either one of them.

PS: Yes, some are taunting about USN and USAF consolidation or Air Force return to Army Air Corps. My take on that if it's practical, lessen bureaucracy, and make for a smoother communications pipeline amongst the DoD components, why not? Again, camaraderie and traditions aside for a min.
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SSgt Stephanie Luck Landry
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NO! I mean no offense to the Army but we earned our eagle globe and anchor and if you asked any Marine that question, it's almost an insult. I have nothing against the army. Each branch serves a purpose but being a Marine is a title we carry with pride. It's sacred to us. There will always be a need for the army and there will always be a need for Marines. I respect other branches but we are "the few, the proud, the Marines". To just put us in with the Army isn't how we trained and not what we signed up for. SEMPER FI
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Cpl Mitchell Williams
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SFC Joseph Trippodo - Not to start an argument however your statement that we don't have the "Autonomy and freedom to adjust the battle plan are not Marine values" is completely wrong, one of our core values "is to adapt and overcome" and is exactly what we do. Yes we blindly follow our leaders but what you fail to realize is from our squad leaders to the Commandant of the Marine Corp we have the best leaders in the world. Just 1 Marine's opinion.
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LCpl Michael Cappello
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Semper Fi Devil Dog.. Oooh Raah
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CPT Bob Mason
CPT Bob Mason
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Seems like only Marines have an opinion. Let this Army relict (1972-1985) jump in with his opinion. I agree with my Marine brethren from a slightly different angle. Although it is true the Army and Marines are combat oriented, our missions are not exactly the same. The Army is designed for extended land combat. While the Marines have successfully conducted extended land combat, they have additional tasks in amphibious operations and on board ship for which the Army is ill-suited.
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Sgt Jmeans M
Sgt Jmeans M
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CPT Bob Mason - Thank you sir for the realistic mission oriented POV
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LTC Paul Labrador
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After reading the responses, I'm seeing a lot of the emotional response vs. an objective, analytical response. To some extent, that doesn't surprise me. There is not branch in our military that carries more myth and mystique than the Marine Corps. And Marines themselves are the first to buy into and push the mystique (again, not a big deal. They seemed to have learned early that PR is important. Something the Army as a whole is not as good at). However, to really answer this question we DO need to look at it analytically.

Currently Marines are structured to be medium-weight, combined arms expeditionary force that has been optimized for seaborne deployment. Expeditionary warfare is not unique to the Marines. The Army has it's own expeditionary units (82nd, 101st, Rangers) that can get to the fight faster than the Marines can. The big difference is that the Marines come with more firepower and a more robust sustainment ability (30 days vs 3 days). Also, Marines have interoperability with the Navy that is in their DNA. Their officers are trained from day 1 side-by-side with naval officers so that they are intimately familiar with naval operations. Amphibious warfare is also a stated raison d'etre by the Marines. They have essentially taken that highly specialized role as their own and become the SME's for it.

On the other side of the coin, however, beyond force structure allowing for quicker deployment and the highly specialized amphibious role, everything else the Marines bring to the strategic table is a duplication of Army capability, and not necessarily a more capable duplication. While Marines have better strategic mobility than comparable Army units, they give up firepower and protection to do it. And once they are on the ground, they don't fight much differently than a comparable Army unit. So again, this begs the question, is there much the Marines bring that the Army can't do? The cold, analytic answer is no. The Army is capable of taking over the Marine mission. Now, this would not be without some hiccups. First the, the Army would need to develop a force structure that would allow them to conduct the Marine mission. The closest we have to a "Marine-style" MAGTF is the Strykers, but even that is not a complete 1:1 mirror. We would also have to do some training changes to accomodate the amphibious mission and requirements. Finally, there would need to be more integration with the Navy at the operational level. This will require Army officers to have more and sustained exposure to naval culture and doctrine to create the level of interoperability that the Marines and Navy currently have. In short, consolidaiton is doable, but not without some significant humps to to overcome...and that is not even addressing the emotional reaction that will come about with any plans to dissolve the Corps and roll it under the Army.
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LCpl Michael Cappello
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There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and the enemy. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion.
Gen. William Thornson, U.S. Army
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LCpl Michael Cappello
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Capt (Join to see) - You cannot exaggerate about the Marines. They are convinced to the point of arrogance, that they are the most ferocious fighters on earth- and the amusing thing about it is that they are.
Father Kevin Keaney
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PFC John Roscoe
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LCpl Michael Cappello - See Dick Winters, 101st Airborne, D-Day
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PFC John Roscoe
PFC John Roscoe
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Capt Jeff S. - more than the Marines executing wounded prisoners in the mosque? Give it a rest, with tens of thousands of troops and hundreds of units in each branch, there are always will be some incompetence, bad attitudes and poor performance. Having said that, as a range medic at Schofield, we had Marines come to qualify on our ranges, and attend our recon school. Their Warrior culture is more intense and effective than the Army's, in general- meaning the branch as a whole. The Marines seem a lot more willing to accept spartan conditions. They weren't trying to show-off or anything, it's just how they lived and trained and what they accepted as normal. Marine chow sucks.
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I always thought Pg 1 of the US Army Survival Manual stated "Call the Marines"
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SrA Angel Rodriguez
SrA Angel Rodriguez
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Lol. That’s funny.
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Cpl Eric White
Cpl Eric White
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Hoorah devildog well said.
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SPC Russell T. Andrews
SPC Russell T. Andrews
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Can a Marine use the word "think" in a sentence ..
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PFC John Roscoe
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it is 2100 hours, for you civilians that 9 pm, for you marines, The big hand is on the 12 and the little one on the 9........Uncle Sam's Misguided Children, lovers of the frontal assault and other casualty-intensive tactics to show their bravery...... But the Mo' fo's were pretty freakin' awesome at Wei
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