Posted on May 28, 2014
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Think objectively. Traditions, camaraderie aside. Both are somewhat similarly more combat-oriented than USN or USAF. Answer practically without putting down either one of them.

PS: Yes, some are taunting about USN and USAF consolidation or Air Force return to Army Air Corps. My take on that if it's practical, lessen bureaucracy, and make for a smoother communications pipeline amongst the DoD components, why not? Again, camaraderie and traditions aside for a min.
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SSgt Stephanie Luck
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NO! I mean no offense to the Army but we earned our eagle globe and anchor and if you asked any Marine that question, it's almost an insult. I have nothing against the army. Each branch serves a purpose but being a Marine is a title we carry with pride. It's sacred to us. There will always be a need for the army and there will always be a need for Marines. I respect other branches but we are "the few, the proud, the Marines". To just put us in with the Army isn't how we trained and not what we signed up for. SEMPER FI
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Cpl Bernard Bates
Cpl Bernard Bates
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Saying they are Marines says a hellva lot. You.ve never been there. Marines mindset is different. In boot camp they take you farther than you think you can go. Every day just a bit farther. Then comes the crucible and you realize you can do things mentally and physically you never thought you could. In 12 weeks we learn about history and tradition and about honor. Every Marine is a brother or sister. The corp keeps you mad most of the time cause it makes you a better in combat. The Marines do the difficult immediately , the impossible takes a little longer. We do more with less. I was in the Army also I know what Im talking about. The Corp has been thought not needed anymore, But in Korea they saved t the country. They are the head of the spear. Trained to be on offence Taking the objective then let the army occupy, USMC 59-63 USA 63-66 Vietnam 65-66.
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SGT David Farr
SGT David Farr
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Stephanie Luck, you are an idiot. You talk a big game and spread insecurities of how tough you are. Earned your globe and anchor, HA. You needed something to make you feel special didn't ya. I've met only a handful of Marines that are decent honorable people, unfortunately most Marines are just like you. You should be ashamed.
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SGT David Farr
SGT David Farr
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SGT Chris Hill She unfortunately was already a cunt before joining the military. The Marine Corps just made her more of a cunt like most are. These people think they are superior make me sick.
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SGT David Farr
SGT David Farr
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SSgt Stephanie Luck You hold yourself to a higher standard? What a load of shit. You , you woman child have never seen half the shit most , shall I put in quotations for you , " Combat Veterans" have. I'd trust a fellow Soldier , hell I'd trust my right hand before the likes of a spoiled Marine like you. Get a grip of reality. Better than the rest of us. Hahaha
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LTC Paul Labrador
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After reading the responses, I'm seeing a lot of the emotional response vs. an objective, analytical response. To some extent, that doesn't surprise me. There is not branch in our military that carries more myth and mystique than the Marine Corps. And Marines themselves are the first to buy into and push the mystique (again, not a big deal. They seemed to have learned early that PR is important. Something the Army as a whole is not as good at). However, to really answer this question we DO need to look at it analytically.

Currently Marines are structured to be medium-weight, combined arms expeditionary force that has been optimized for seaborne deployment. Expeditionary warfare is not unique to the Marines. The Army has it's own expeditionary units (82nd, 101st, Rangers) that can get to the fight faster than the Marines can. The big difference is that the Marines come with more firepower and a more robust sustainment ability (30 days vs 3 days). Also, Marines have interoperability with the Navy that is in their DNA. Their officers are trained from day 1 side-by-side with naval officers so that they are intimately familiar with naval operations. Amphibious warfare is also a stated raison d'etre by the Marines. They have essentially taken that highly specialized role as their own and become the SME's for it.

On the other side of the coin, however, beyond force structure allowing for quicker deployment and the highly specialized amphibious role, everything else the Marines bring to the strategic table is a duplication of Army capability, and not necessarily a more capable duplication. While Marines have better strategic mobility than comparable Army units, they give up firepower and protection to do it. And once they are on the ground, they don't fight much differently than a comparable Army unit. So again, this begs the question, is there much the Marines bring that the Army can't do? The cold, analytic answer is no. The Army is capable of taking over the Marine mission. Now, this would not be without some hiccups. First the, the Army would need to develop a force structure that would allow them to conduct the Marine mission. The closest we have to a "Marine-style" MAGTF is the Strykers, but even that is not a complete 1:1 mirror. We would also have to do some training changes to accomodate the amphibious mission and requirements. Finally, there would need to be more integration with the Navy at the operational level. This will require Army officers to have more and sustained exposure to naval culture and doctrine to create the level of interoperability that the Marines and Navy currently have. In short, consolidaiton is doable, but not without some significant humps to to overcome...and that is not even addressing the emotional reaction that will come about with any plans to dissolve the Corps and roll it under the Army.
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MAJ (Join to see) - We haven't had a declared war since WWII. Doesn't seem to be slowing down our pace of military deployments.
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MAJ Armored Combat Command Commander
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The numbers of deployments might not change but the size of the deployments are smaller.Maj (Join to see)
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I was the first marine in my family. Everyone else was army all the way back to the civil war. So I say this with great respect for the army with all the spectacular soldiers in uniform. HELL NO.
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SSG Craig Collins
SSG Craig Collins
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Nailed it Sir. Cold hard truth.
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Cpl Robert Clark
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I always thought Pg 1 of the US Army Survival Manual stated "Call the Marines"
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CSM David Brock
CSM David Brock
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NO they should not be combind. The Marines had to change the way they do there job or be disbanded. That 90 days on the beach after landing was not cost effective. They have a real world mission now. They need to be forward deploy closer to the war zones for longer time periods. Going overseas by ship is to slow. Maybe we could used them for border patrol duty.
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PO1 RIchard Petty
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CSM David Brock - Are you saying that the Marines are only good be at border patrol? Because you be surprised how fast a ship can get to a place and start combat operations and sit off the coast for an infinite time to do combat missions. They can also jump on C-130s and be anywhere in a moments notice and they are called Quick Response Teams, just like what happened in Iraq when the they started to attack the embassy.
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SSG Biomedical Equipment Specialist
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I read that also but under it was to make sure the beach was secured.
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SGT Joseph Curl
SGT Joseph Curl
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That’s just some story an army private told a marine’s wife and since marines can’t read it’s never been disproven.
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