Posted on May 28, 2014
Should Army and Marines (or components of) consolidate?
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Think objectively. Traditions, camaraderie aside. Both are somewhat similarly more combat-oriented than USN or USAF. Answer practically without putting down either one of them.
PS: Yes, some are taunting about USN and USAF consolidation or Air Force return to Army Air Corps. My take on that if it's practical, lessen bureaucracy, and make for a smoother communications pipeline amongst the DoD components, why not? Again, camaraderie and traditions aside for a min.
PS: Yes, some are taunting about USN and USAF consolidation or Air Force return to Army Air Corps. My take on that if it's practical, lessen bureaucracy, and make for a smoother communications pipeline amongst the DoD components, why not? Again, camaraderie and traditions aside for a min.
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I am unsure if this has been mentioned PO1 (Join to see), but consider if that were to happen the Navy would lose its men's department! haha
not to mention all the 'expired' tattoos
not to mention all the 'expired' tattoos
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PO1 (Join to see)
Not bad, Cpl. It's just that half of that stuff is from the 'old navy' when things were much more divided and not as much joint tasking. Nowadays the steaks are higher whether combat ready, physically fit, good evals, etc... Careers are at stake because the Navy is overmanned in many rates and it's either cross-rate or get out. So nowadays when I hear 'men's department' I kind of feel like cringing
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Cpl Michael Strickler
I joke about it, and pretty much any other way I can say the Marine Corps is better. But that is just cause I am brainwashed, it is funny, and the Marines really are better.
I actually feel like Navy (and other services) are crazy because on the ground I can 'move' away from bad guys. In the bullet magnets (tracks, planes, ships, etc.) you are really restricted in your movement and sometimes you can't do anything but see 'it' coming in slow motion...
But that reminds me of this: I remember talking to guys who served in the 'old corps' and they would say "we respect you so much, you are crazy fighting the ways you do, thank god we didnt have to do that"
and we were like "wtf?! you all assaulted beaches, dying by the tens or more, etc. you all were crazy"
then they would say "but we knew who our enemy was. they wore a uniform. access, aim, shoot. none of this access, wave a bright orange flag, shoot a warning shot, ask politely again, send fruit cake, shoot and get charged"
...anyways, when i call you the women's department or whatever; just know that i am only mostly serious :)
I actually feel like Navy (and other services) are crazy because on the ground I can 'move' away from bad guys. In the bullet magnets (tracks, planes, ships, etc.) you are really restricted in your movement and sometimes you can't do anything but see 'it' coming in slow motion...
But that reminds me of this: I remember talking to guys who served in the 'old corps' and they would say "we respect you so much, you are crazy fighting the ways you do, thank god we didnt have to do that"
and we were like "wtf?! you all assaulted beaches, dying by the tens or more, etc. you all were crazy"
then they would say "but we knew who our enemy was. they wore a uniform. access, aim, shoot. none of this access, wave a bright orange flag, shoot a warning shot, ask politely again, send fruit cake, shoot and get charged"
...anyways, when i call you the women's department or whatever; just know that i am only mostly serious :)
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LCDR (Join to see)
I guess we shouldn't explain why the Navy's dress blues include something called a "Marine Napkin."
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Absolutely not. Traditions play an important part in each of our respective branches and our missions are distinct. Although many comaprisons can be drawn between the two branches, both should remain independent of the other.
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No! no! If you want to talk about consolidation it should be the Army and Air Force. Teeth to Tail ratio alone should tell you the Air Force should go back to a Corp. If your job means you are in a cockpit or air crew that leaves the ground on a regular basis you belong in the Air Corp. Everything else should belong to the Army. Air Force should give up space to the Navy. If or when we can get from Earth to the edge of the solar system in a day the Air (Space) Force and have it back. Sorry I got off track I'm an Army vet and the Marine do a great job at what they do. The only time the Army should get involved is when the number of Marines you have is not enough, until that point the Marines got it all the way.
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PFC Damon Graham
I put in my comment before I read the others. Damn....the brass is think in here. All well I still stand by my comment.
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Its funny, the marines think they are so much better, but how many times has the Army come to their rescue?
Anyways, if you truly understand the concept of the Marines you would get it. They are naval infantry, by doctrine, they assault from amphibious vehicles.
Also, I have heard repeatedly that the POTUS can use the marines for a certain length of time without congress approval, therefore they are always "the first" while congress decides if everyone else will go to war or not.
Anyways, if you truly understand the concept of the Marines you would get it. They are naval infantry, by doctrine, they assault from amphibious vehicles.
Also, I have heard repeatedly that the POTUS can use the marines for a certain length of time without congress approval, therefore they are always "the first" while congress decides if everyone else will go to war or not.
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1SG Michael Minton
the marines are a self sufficient amphibious assault force. they have their own logistics, armor, artillery and air support. all they require is a ride to the fight! no other branch is formed that way. but i would really like the marines to take the A10s they are trying to get rid of and throw in some apache helicopters. both are great CAS.
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LTC Paul Labrador
1SG Michael Minton, yes, kind of. The Marines are self-sufficient to a point. Yes they have logistics, armor and artillery, but not a whole lot (the Corps has ONE battalion of Armor in the whole Corps spread across mutliple MAGTFs. The Army has at least one battalion per BRIGADE). Marines are essentially a mid-weight force. Able to fight independently for a short period time, but require heavier forces to either relieve them or else they run the risk of running out of supplies or being overwhelmed.
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Sgt Michael Baselice
I would conversely argue to disband all the other services and expand the Marine Corps, since the Marines are the only AIR-LAND-SEA force, and have consistently done more with less resources than ANY other service.
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TSgt David Whitmore
Sgt Michael Baselice - While I was in the Air Force, I really think you have a great idea. I watched my little brother really grow as Man. He retired from the Marines, while another of my brothers and I retired from the Air Force.
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No.
If anything, the Marines should stick with their original mission of Mariners... i.e. the Navy land assault force.
If anything, some changes should be made: the USMC air force merged into the Navy. The AF, Army and Navy's medical assets, EXCEPT medics/corpsmen, should be merged into the HHS.
If anything, the Marines should stick with their original mission of Mariners... i.e. the Navy land assault force.
If anything, some changes should be made: the USMC air force merged into the Navy. The AF, Army and Navy's medical assets, EXCEPT medics/corpsmen, should be merged into the HHS.
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Not at all! Both organizations have two different roles. As a Retired 0369/0313 MSgt and have worked with the Army numerous times the mentality of the Marine Corps is 100 times different than the Army. We should simply go to how it was after Desert Storm and just reduce the forces back to where every command is at 75-80% man power. Get rid of the upper commanders who are costing the military more money than 5 PFC's put together and make them wear dual hats as we did back after Desert Storm.
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I've always been a fan of this idea. It would save millions each year, billions over the long run....
Which I'm sorry, but is more important than tradition sometimes.
Sometimes I hear complaints about losing out on pensions and PX's, but here is probably a way to cut so much spending out of the overall budget, and merge budgets, to where service members can have more than what they had during the good old "we don't need no stinking budget" GWOT years....
Which I'm sorry, but is more important than tradition sometimes.
Sometimes I hear complaints about losing out on pensions and PX's, but here is probably a way to cut so much spending out of the overall budget, and merge budgets, to where service members can have more than what they had during the good old "we don't need no stinking budget" GWOT years....
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LCDR (Join to see)
If something that, according to your suggestion, saves millions each year will save billions over the long run, then we're looking at... a thousand-year payback period? Even being generous and assuming high values of "millions" and low values of "billions," we're looking at a century to get your payoff.
Also, I'm not so certain that we'll be seeing those kinds of numbers. For the most part, we'll be retaining the same numbers, just changing the uniforms they wear (and having to pay to put them in new uniforms). Sure, a few generals might go away... or just might continue in new titles, but reshuffling the cards rarely shows savings.
Also, I'm not so certain that we'll be seeing those kinds of numbers. For the most part, we'll be retaining the same numbers, just changing the uniforms they wear (and having to pay to put them in new uniforms). Sure, a few generals might go away... or just might continue in new titles, but reshuffling the cards rarely shows savings.
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