Posted on May 28, 2014
Should Army and Marines (or components of) consolidate?
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Think objectively. Traditions, camaraderie aside. Both are somewhat similarly more combat-oriented than USN or USAF. Answer practically without putting down either one of them.
PS: Yes, some are taunting about USN and USAF consolidation or Air Force return to Army Air Corps. My take on that if it's practical, lessen bureaucracy, and make for a smoother communications pipeline amongst the DoD components, why not? Again, camaraderie and traditions aside for a min.
PS: Yes, some are taunting about USN and USAF consolidation or Air Force return to Army Air Corps. My take on that if it's practical, lessen bureaucracy, and make for a smoother communications pipeline amongst the DoD components, why not? Again, camaraderie and traditions aside for a min.
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The USMC is a redundant capability. Reality is they are a force that’s only 22% combat arms that has less than an army division worth of fighting men and women. I mean the last time they did an actual amphibious assault, the Army was still doing them and more often than the Marines were. Says a lot about a group of individuals when they have to brag that initial entry training was this and that.
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The Marines like to Focus on the support side of the Army and look down on the whole group. There is actually more Combat Arms in the Army than there are Marines as a Branch. By at least twice. And I’ve been told more when you count Reserves and National Guard.
The Army has recently changed the PT Test. It’s no longer just Push Ups and Sit Ups and Pull Ups for Airborne. It’s a lot more than just that. The Army Infantry OSUT will be lengthened to 22 Weeks at least. And this will make it harder to join than the other Branches.
I did 16.5 Weeks OSUT to join the Army. I had to do Push Ups Pull Ups and Sit Ups every morning as well as the other Exercise for Upper Body and we ran as much as Marines do when they do the run portion of the PT. This went on for 16.5 Weeks and at the end we had to be tested for three days station after station test after test. We had to stay awake for three days during this time and at the end we had to do our 24k Road March. I don’t think that our training was less than Marine’s at all. Our drill Sgt was a Green Beret and I’m sure his level of fitness and years in Special Forces made him a better instructor than the Marine Drills who don’t have as much knowledge as the Army Drills do.
The Marines sure do bring a lot of Firepower to the enemy from the Sea. Sure that is true but the Army does do this type of war too and for many years there was Army Infantry in those ships with the Navy and the Marines doing those landings. In fact the Army has a huge fleet of Vessels that carry tanks and equipment and soldiers from the Sea too. The Marines can’t say they are the only ones that will come from the sea.
The Airborne Forces get there faster and are inserted deeper into enemy territory than Marines do and they have to work at a Faster Pace than the Marines coming from the Sea with tanks and Heavy Equipment. The Airborne Forces have to secure an airport or create a landing strip somewhere to bring in the Heavy Equipment but they do it and even in Granada which is an Island the First place that was attacked was by Airborne Rangers and it was the Airport. It’s not a Guarantee that because it’s an Island that it will only be Marines there and the Marines don’t get there first. Airborne attacks first. They get the Heavy Equipment there by Air and it works.
There’s is Also the Armies Heavy Armor. The Armor from the Army is much more of a nightmare to the Enemy than just the Marines from the sea who also bring Navy and Even Army with them. If Marines bring more firepower than Airborne and considered medium weight imagine the Heavier Armor Brigades from the Army which is even more Firepower and more Heavy Equipment.
The Marines arent better than our Combat Arms in the Army. They just like to compare us all the Support side and ignore the Combat Side all together. Which dwarfs the Marines in numbers.
The Army has recently changed the PT Test. It’s no longer just Push Ups and Sit Ups and Pull Ups for Airborne. It’s a lot more than just that. The Army Infantry OSUT will be lengthened to 22 Weeks at least. And this will make it harder to join than the other Branches.
I did 16.5 Weeks OSUT to join the Army. I had to do Push Ups Pull Ups and Sit Ups every morning as well as the other Exercise for Upper Body and we ran as much as Marines do when they do the run portion of the PT. This went on for 16.5 Weeks and at the end we had to be tested for three days station after station test after test. We had to stay awake for three days during this time and at the end we had to do our 24k Road March. I don’t think that our training was less than Marine’s at all. Our drill Sgt was a Green Beret and I’m sure his level of fitness and years in Special Forces made him a better instructor than the Marine Drills who don’t have as much knowledge as the Army Drills do.
The Marines sure do bring a lot of Firepower to the enemy from the Sea. Sure that is true but the Army does do this type of war too and for many years there was Army Infantry in those ships with the Navy and the Marines doing those landings. In fact the Army has a huge fleet of Vessels that carry tanks and equipment and soldiers from the Sea too. The Marines can’t say they are the only ones that will come from the sea.
The Airborne Forces get there faster and are inserted deeper into enemy territory than Marines do and they have to work at a Faster Pace than the Marines coming from the Sea with tanks and Heavy Equipment. The Airborne Forces have to secure an airport or create a landing strip somewhere to bring in the Heavy Equipment but they do it and even in Granada which is an Island the First place that was attacked was by Airborne Rangers and it was the Airport. It’s not a Guarantee that because it’s an Island that it will only be Marines there and the Marines don’t get there first. Airborne attacks first. They get the Heavy Equipment there by Air and it works.
There’s is Also the Armies Heavy Armor. The Armor from the Army is much more of a nightmare to the Enemy than just the Marines from the sea who also bring Navy and Even Army with them. If Marines bring more firepower than Airborne and considered medium weight imagine the Heavier Armor Brigades from the Army which is even more Firepower and more Heavy Equipment.
The Marines arent better than our Combat Arms in the Army. They just like to compare us all the Support side and ignore the Combat Side all together. Which dwarfs the Marines in numbers.
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Apparently we should first educate the entire military on the meaning of the word "objective".
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Never. Possibly a combining of the units would save some money, but the loss of pride, world acknowledgment of the differences, history and training is very important to all of them separately. They each also have their special forces which are very good at what they do. Besides, the Corps is still somewhat under the Navy's jurisdiction, that's enough.
Wha's needed is financial accountability at the top of each one. That will save more than enough money.
Former Marine, Semper Fi
Wha's needed is financial accountability at the top of each one. That will save more than enough money.
Former Marine, Semper Fi
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Factor into the question at hand....... are we humans or robots? Then apply your logic as best suits your answer and the reason for it. Anyone care to guess mine?
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