Posted on May 28, 2014
Should Army and Marines (or components of) consolidate?
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Think objectively. Traditions, camaraderie aside. Both are somewhat similarly more combat-oriented than USN or USAF. Answer practically without putting down either one of them.
PS: Yes, some are taunting about USN and USAF consolidation or Air Force return to Army Air Corps. My take on that if it's practical, lessen bureaucracy, and make for a smoother communications pipeline amongst the DoD components, why not? Again, camaraderie and traditions aside for a min.
PS: Yes, some are taunting about USN and USAF consolidation or Air Force return to Army Air Corps. My take on that if it's practical, lessen bureaucracy, and make for a smoother communications pipeline amongst the DoD components, why not? Again, camaraderie and traditions aside for a min.
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Oh Hell No. No disrespect, however I knew many Soldiers in the Army that would not have been able to handle Marine Corps Boot Camp, or the Marines in general as a career. We who are Marines ( YES, a Marine for life ) are proud of earning that title. I feel one needs not just the physical tools to be a Marine, but the HEART to be a Marine, and while many soldiers may be very good, they are NOT Marines. Semper Fi to my fellow Marines, you EARNED the title. And to those in the other branches, be proud and do your very best as the Country depends on you...but your not a Marine.
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GySgt Keith Rininger
LOL...PO3 your one funny Sailor. WWII is generations ago and everyone was about as tough as the other. And NO, boot camp is not set up for the "Average Joe" just the mental element is much different from every other branch. I appreciate your thoughts on it, but your 100% wrong. Case in point since you used WWII. Marine General Holland Smith fired an Army General during the battle of Saipan in 1944. Army moved to slow and Soldiers didn't fight the same as Marines. Philosophic differences on how to fight. Army was good but not Marines. You have a good New Year Petty Officer, but there is a big difference in ethos. Semper Fi
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When it comes to the basic training of the Army and the boot camp of the Marines there are significant differences in toughness training. The Army has removed so much of the hardcore physical training as well as the psychological toughness training that they would have to play catch up. I served in the army and am proud of the service, however, I have 2 sons in the Marines and 1 in the Army. The differences are greater than people think. If you combine forces of any of the 2 branches then the Army and Airforce would be the most likely branches since the Army started the Airforce.
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I am commenting from a position of insufficient information (ignorance) and, even worse, what might be half-truths. Consolidation may have good economic or budgetary outcomes,but I am not sure about even that!
Notwithstanding tradition, pride, etc., I think - from the point of view of an outsider - that differences in tactical doctrine (and related support) have to be considered. My understanding is that a few years ago the Army wanted to absorb Air Force A-10 units, supposedly because they flew in a CAS role and developing tactical doctrine (the role of infantry/armor, attack helicopters, and A-10 type aircraft) would be more efficient "intra-service" rather than "inter-service". One problem I can visualize with this is there is a very human frailty to look with suspicion on something (equipment, training, tactics, doctrine) that is "not invented here". (NIH! CAN'T work!) I am somewhat prejudiced, being indoctrinated into the Marine Corps Green cult. Each branch of the armed forces have something unique to contribute and some of that contribution is the result of a combination of cooperation and competition.
If I am in error in my recollections (notably about the A-10 "rivalry") I'd welcome being corrected.
Notwithstanding tradition, pride, etc., I think - from the point of view of an outsider - that differences in tactical doctrine (and related support) have to be considered. My understanding is that a few years ago the Army wanted to absorb Air Force A-10 units, supposedly because they flew in a CAS role and developing tactical doctrine (the role of infantry/armor, attack helicopters, and A-10 type aircraft) would be more efficient "intra-service" rather than "inter-service". One problem I can visualize with this is there is a very human frailty to look with suspicion on something (equipment, training, tactics, doctrine) that is "not invented here". (NIH! CAN'T work!) I am somewhat prejudiced, being indoctrinated into the Marine Corps Green cult. Each branch of the armed forces have something unique to contribute and some of that contribution is the result of a combination of cooperation and competition.
If I am in error in my recollections (notably about the A-10 "rivalry") I'd welcome being corrected.
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Consolidate? Currently we have an Army Air Force, Navy Air Force, Coast Guard Air Force, National Guard Air Force, and Air Force Air Force. Last time I checked they all have one thing in common. Start with them.
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No, who can think like that in the first place.
Marines had fought in every war separately as a small Element, storm beach & Earned their respect with all branches regardless how we feel about them.
We must never allow to join as one due to what they do.
My branch is disgusting themself as a multi unit.
We have Paratrooper, Diverse demolition transportation so many that we are a bigger army for that reason.
We can do with our join forces.
Marines had fought in every war separately as a small Element, storm beach & Earned their respect with all branches regardless how we feel about them.
We must never allow to join as one due to what they do.
My branch is disgusting themself as a multi unit.
We have Paratrooper, Diverse demolition transportation so many that we are a bigger army for that reason.
We can do with our join forces.
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