Posted on May 28, 2014
Should Army and Marines (or components of) consolidate?
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Think objectively. Traditions, camaraderie aside. Both are somewhat similarly more combat-oriented than USN or USAF. Answer practically without putting down either one of them.
PS: Yes, some are taunting about USN and USAF consolidation or Air Force return to Army Air Corps. My take on that if it's practical, lessen bureaucracy, and make for a smoother communications pipeline amongst the DoD components, why not? Again, camaraderie and traditions aside for a min.
PS: Yes, some are taunting about USN and USAF consolidation or Air Force return to Army Air Corps. My take on that if it's practical, lessen bureaucracy, and make for a smoother communications pipeline amongst the DoD components, why not? Again, camaraderie and traditions aside for a min.
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The biggest reason for not consolidating I s even though both branches are combat oriented, they have completely diffident missions. The Marines have been and continue to be a Martime based fighting force, designed and trained for quick response from the ocean. The Army in their right are a land based force, trained for deployment in that theater of war and tws
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Honestly no they should not merge.
All Bias, loyalties and other things aside we do have too separate of a role.
Our mission is drastically different than the Army. I could see the Air Force (no offense to any airmen but would make sense if something had to be done) being merged back to what it once was or possibly even a merger of the Air force and the navy as the navy has a fairly large air role as well. That being said my vote would be that no merger existed.
This next statement isn't to try and say we are better than any other branch but the Marine Corps has the history of doing the same or more with less. We have the lowest budget and still achieve great results. On top of this, much of our budget is already covered under the USN so even though many of us will not admit and I am not saying I do, we technically already are semi linked with the Navy. While the Marines and Army have similar roles they are not the same, tactics are different between the two services as well as our methods. To integrate would cause many issues from beliefs to history to leadership problems. That is just my opinion though
All Bias, loyalties and other things aside we do have too separate of a role.
Our mission is drastically different than the Army. I could see the Air Force (no offense to any airmen but would make sense if something had to be done) being merged back to what it once was or possibly even a merger of the Air force and the navy as the navy has a fairly large air role as well. That being said my vote would be that no merger existed.
This next statement isn't to try and say we are better than any other branch but the Marine Corps has the history of doing the same or more with less. We have the lowest budget and still achieve great results. On top of this, much of our budget is already covered under the USN so even though many of us will not admit and I am not saying I do, we technically already are semi linked with the Navy. While the Marines and Army have similar roles they are not the same, tactics are different between the two services as well as our methods. To integrate would cause many issues from beliefs to history to leadership problems. That is just my opinion though
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To me, this is a question of standards, and objectives. The Marines not only have higher standards, but have the training for higher risk missions.
I remember talking to an Army guy that was stationed in South Korea. This was when North Korea was talking about invading a few years ago. He specifically said that if North Korea decided to invade, he would drop his weapon right away, and surrender.
The people that the Army appeals to are hood rats and street brawlers, and more than not, have no real allegiance. Additionally, they have been held hostage by special interest groups to be all "Inclusive" which means even lower standards than usual. Now the Marines are doing the same.
The new American way is that it's "Not Fair" that some can achieve more. It's not fair that some are better. It's not fair that some get a trophy, and others do not. This concept of the new Progressive America, is what's driving women into MOSes that they clearly aren't suited for. And this is what's pushing the Marines and Army together.
The fact that this is a conversation, means the conversation is over. The Liberals already won. And it saddens me to know how weak America is becoming. And there may be a time sooner than later, that I will move my family out of this country before Democrats and Liberals Collapse it.
:::Hell, I've got an Army Roommate. He's a 32 yr old Man-Child with the video games and cartoons. He tortures mice, and when I'm around, I'm I have to mercy kill them. He is delusional about violence....He'd never make it in the Marines. But he could sure as shit get into the Army.
I remember talking to an Army guy that was stationed in South Korea. This was when North Korea was talking about invading a few years ago. He specifically said that if North Korea decided to invade, he would drop his weapon right away, and surrender.
The people that the Army appeals to are hood rats and street brawlers, and more than not, have no real allegiance. Additionally, they have been held hostage by special interest groups to be all "Inclusive" which means even lower standards than usual. Now the Marines are doing the same.
The new American way is that it's "Not Fair" that some can achieve more. It's not fair that some are better. It's not fair that some get a trophy, and others do not. This concept of the new Progressive America, is what's driving women into MOSes that they clearly aren't suited for. And this is what's pushing the Marines and Army together.
The fact that this is a conversation, means the conversation is over. The Liberals already won. And it saddens me to know how weak America is becoming. And there may be a time sooner than later, that I will move my family out of this country before Democrats and Liberals Collapse it.
:::Hell, I've got an Army Roommate. He's a 32 yr old Man-Child with the video games and cartoons. He tortures mice, and when I'm around, I'm I have to mercy kill them. He is delusional about violence....He'd never make it in the Marines. But he could sure as shit get into the Army.
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Absolutely not! The Army and Marines focus on two different mission sets: ground assault versus amphibious assault. Rather than mucking around with the political dynamite of either the Marines or Army absorbing the other because of some perceived duplication in capabilities, we should first be removing duplications in non-combat related C2 structure. Example: USAR and National Guard. Both are consisered Reserve Components of the Army, and both have MASSIVE top-heavy administrative C2 structures. Yet only the National Guard actually has any constitutional authority to exist. Why don't we consolidate the National Guard and Reserves and cut the cost of administering the reserve components in half?
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There will always be some sort of tradition or set of traditional values that would be affected if a joint venture were to occur. Individuals do not like there shoes stomped on when it comes to their services, mainly due to pride. It is a basic part of the initiation and right of passage upon joining one of the service elements with the umbrella of the Department of Defense. Personally, after reading some of the more objective comments, I would be okay with seeing the Air Force be returned to a joint service element under the Department of the Army. The Coast Guard which a lot of us forget about, and the Marines, should fall under the Department of the Navy. Objectively speaking, the Marines already fall under the Navy, but there is not a Marine that appreciates that notion and out of respect for both, I'll leave the pun out of the posting. Operationally, the Air Force and Army use very similar platforms as well as in many cases now, already have Joint-Air Bases functioning for their aircraft, two that I know of particularly, Joint McCord/Lewis and Bragg/Pope, so it makes total sense. Nothing wrong with seeing the services meld, as we do it all the time now when we fight, both logistically and being stationed together. The Army and Air Force pay comes out of the same Pay system, just another simple meld. Same goes to the Marine Corp and Navy. I honestly am not sure about the Coast Guard, but the rank structures are almost the same as the Navy, and I can only assume that they fall under the Navy with regards to pay purposes as well. Logistically, and in most cases, I believe the above to be true and in good consciousness. Respectfully, the fact remains that in the best interest of the service elements the combining might be the best course of action to save many on many of joint programs currently in use, or to add value to those projects. Some of the same platforms are used and those monies would be better used if jointly permitted against the contracting world. Example of these uses of late are the old A-10 and Predator during the Wars and conflict for the past decade plus. Unfortunately, with the current money situation, the civilians running the government have flat-out put the services elements into a bind.
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Actually, the Air Force aircraft, satellites, ISR and BMD should be absorbed by Marine Air and the Army (the ones who can pass our PFT and CFT tests) should be absorbed into our ground forces. The Navy should stay as it is until told otherwise.
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On the face of it, no, I would not advocate merging the Army and Marines, or any of the other services - for all of the "mission, training and tradition" reasons already stated. However, the US is terminally guilty of "fighting the last war". The Defense establishment in the past decade or so has been forced to operate in a more "joint" fashion, but each time, many "service unique" issues have hindered efficient mission accomplishment. The only service member who somewhat understand each other are the senior officers. In these times of shrinking budgets and smaller fighting forces, I would suggest bringing all the services together - at the initial enty point, as the National Defense Force. Each person enlisting into the NDF would be trained in the same basic training - no service biases. The template for the NDF training would be similar to Army or Marine infantry basic training - since the squad/platoon is the best way to train and everyone - at the most barest of terms - is a rifleman. Once the person graduates from the NDF basic training, they can move to the service that they enlisted for - to obtain the additional training in their specialty and further indoctrination into that specific purpose, mostly like what it is today. However, the advantages would be huge cost savings at the initial entry point, a more cohesive defense establishment (as we understand each other better by a common starting experience), hopefully a simple NDF uniform (vs the hundreds of service unique uniforms) and the ability of move and level the force structure as needed. I know it is radical, but I think it has merit.
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What is the reason for the question to be asked? I personally do not see a reason for an Army Marine consolidation.
Without a credible reason besides just a random sampling makes it a non issue. Your question seems to be skewed to force a biased opinion. Difficult not to. They both get called into action and they both bleed and they both die.
Without a credible reason besides just a random sampling makes it a non issue. Your question seems to be skewed to force a biased opinion. Difficult not to. They both get called into action and they both bleed and they both die.
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No they should not. I served in both branches. They are very different. Army has numbers, Marines depend on speed, army has the airforce. Marines have their own airlift/attack system, which is solely to support the marines on the ground, no bureaucracy of paper work.
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I have worked on a few JTF's in my career. I was an army E-7 and reported to a marine Ltc. He always addressed me as "Gunny" as well as a few other army E-7's in our unit. We would joke around a little, but when rubber met the road we were a team that made stuff happen. I have worked with several other teams that were made up of members of all branches. One of the best bosses I had was a navy Lt Cmdr. I made it a point to know all branches rank and insignias, because I didn't want to be ignorant when addressing an navy Captain by calling him Colonal.
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