Posted on May 28, 2014
Should Army and Marines (or components of) consolidate?
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Think objectively. Traditions, camaraderie aside. Both are somewhat similarly more combat-oriented than USN or USAF. Answer practically without putting down either one of them.
PS: Yes, some are taunting about USN and USAF consolidation or Air Force return to Army Air Corps. My take on that if it's practical, lessen bureaucracy, and make for a smoother communications pipeline amongst the DoD components, why not? Again, camaraderie and traditions aside for a min.
PS: Yes, some are taunting about USN and USAF consolidation or Air Force return to Army Air Corps. My take on that if it's practical, lessen bureaucracy, and make for a smoother communications pipeline amongst the DoD components, why not? Again, camaraderie and traditions aside for a min.
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Why would the Marines lower there standards:) All joking aside this was a serious discussion during the Clinton presidency. Some of you old guy/gals may remember.
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No, they have different roles and missions that are clearly defined. We still need X number of people to fulfill this mission or that mission. Consolidation would not save money, even in the long run, Short term, it would cost significantly more.
On a personal level, I'd rather work with Marines any day over Army! The Marines do things that don't make sense, just a lot less often than the Army. I think they issue the Army all the fancy gear and equipment, but the issue Marines half a brain to figure out how to get along with out it.
On a personal level, I'd rather work with Marines any day over Army! The Marines do things that don't make sense, just a lot less often than the Army. I think they issue the Army all the fancy gear and equipment, but the issue Marines half a brain to figure out how to get along with out it.
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What Army are you referring to? With all the fancy things? Have you actually worked with either? If you did you would know that both Branches get fancy high tech things to fight in a war. I guess you think the Air Force does everything that make sense. You are so misguided.
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SrA Kelly Richard
I have worked with both branches, and the Marines didn't even have serviceable magazines, so I traded mine with theirs since it made more sense for the field MPs and the grunts to have functioning weapons, where as the Air Force... Well if I had to fire mine, I knew we would have other issues, much bigger all together. Yet the Army had brand new remote controled turrets on their MRAPS and all new gear, while the Marines constantly got hand-me-downs from the Army. The Army always seemed miserable and hated to do their jobs which always seemed half-***ed, while the Marines got stuck with the suck yet always seemed eager to be the best Marine, and had pride in their work. It's just what I observed.
Now the Air Force certainly is not perfect or without flaws, and after deploying with Marines, there was a lot that the Air Force did that drove me up the wall after I came back. However, that's my branch, and I have learned that though I see these things as "flaws" within the branches, that is how we all conduct business and is what works best in our respective roles to accomplish our mission. Yet another reason why no one should be merging.
It's just an opinion though. It's my opinion and I stand by it based upon my experience, but it is not to be a personal attack on any branch or individual.
Now the Air Force certainly is not perfect or without flaws, and after deploying with Marines, there was a lot that the Air Force did that drove me up the wall after I came back. However, that's my branch, and I have learned that though I see these things as "flaws" within the branches, that is how we all conduct business and is what works best in our respective roles to accomplish our mission. Yet another reason why no one should be merging.
It's just an opinion though. It's my opinion and I stand by it based upon my experience, but it is not to be a personal attack on any branch or individual.
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"traditions" mean nothing int he grand scheme of things... The Air force should be folded into the Army and Navy for logistics sake and the Marine Corps should be shrunk in size to their primary mission of protecting naval vessels and conducting MEU operations. Having standing Marine divisions is a waste of money and resources.
The Army needs to "trim the fat" of its support personnel... Many jobs can be folded together. Make the POG's do more than a 9 to 5 shift to earn their benefits.
Now, that being said I am a Army Infantrymen and I understand the frustration that will come from this statement.
The Army needs to "trim the fat" of its support personnel... Many jobs can be folded together. Make the POG's do more than a 9 to 5 shift to earn their benefits.
Now, that being said I am a Army Infantrymen and I understand the frustration that will come from this statement.
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No, two different worlds, mentalities, cultures, ways of life, etc. That's like asking oil and water to water to consilidate into one. Both are effective but will never be one. Two teams, one fight.
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Here's the full 10-minute documentary of "Inside the Marine Air-Ground Task Force." The Marine Air-Ground Task Force is an assault element which combines the...
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From what I'm reading, there are a lot of WRONG answers being posted here with a lot of misinformation on both sides of the isle. I have extensive experience with the Marine Air Ground Task Force while working with the other services. I welcome a FRIENDLY debate with anyone. I'll speak on the wave tops as this could be a lengthy post.
The answer is no (a resounding hell no since I'm a Marine). The Marine Corps as a whole is a fast moving, lightly to medium equipped fight force. The Marine Air Ground Task Force (MAGTF) can be broken down from the Marine Expeditionary Brigade (MEB) Marine Expeditionary Force (MEF), Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU). Each of these will have infantry, logistics and air assets for their respective size. There are a MINIMUM of TWO MEU's deployed at any given time in the world. This gives the president a battalion of Marines to deploy ANYWHERE in the world in 48 hours. This battalion includes tank platoons, supply and air transport and air attack assets. This type of structure is what makes the USMC unique from the Army. The Army is vast, it requires much more time to deploy. Once it gets going there's no stopping the U.S. Army, it's AWESOME what the Army can bring to the fight and their sustainment ability is unreal. BUT, the Marine is designed at the administrative level to the fire team level to be light and fast. The Army does have fast deploying units such as its Rangers and Berets, but they don't bring the complete package like a MEU does. One thing to note about a MEU, it is shadowed by a Navy Carrier Battle Group, this includes an aircraft carrier and all of its support ships. The Army depends much on the Air Force to help move personnel and equipment around.
Secondly the mindsets of the two are very different. I have multiple Army friends (from the lowly PVT2 to a 2 star general) who speak of their admiration for Marines, the discipline, training and professionalism. This isn't to say that the army is deficient in any of those things, but there is a clear war fighting mindset difference in the two. The Marine Corps standards are higher, thus creating a much sharper force with which to work with.
Check this video out on the MAGTF https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YivJpZPJejw
From what I'm reading, there are a lot of WRONG answers being posted here with a lot of misinformation on both sides of the isle. I have extensive experience with the Marine Air Ground Task Force while working with the other services. I welcome a FRIENDLY debate with anyone. I'll speak on the wave tops as this could be a lengthy post.
The answer is no (a resounding hell no since I'm a Marine). The Marine Corps as a whole is a fast moving, lightly to medium equipped fight force. The Marine Air Ground Task Force (MAGTF) can be broken down from the Marine Expeditionary Brigade (MEB) Marine Expeditionary Force (MEF), Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU). Each of these will have infantry, logistics and air assets for their respective size. There are a MINIMUM of TWO MEU's deployed at any given time in the world. This gives the president a battalion of Marines to deploy ANYWHERE in the world in 48 hours. This battalion includes tank platoons, supply and air transport and air attack assets. This type of structure is what makes the USMC unique from the Army. The Army is vast, it requires much more time to deploy. Once it gets going there's no stopping the U.S. Army, it's AWESOME what the Army can bring to the fight and their sustainment ability is unreal. BUT, the Marine is designed at the administrative level to the fire team level to be light and fast. The Army does have fast deploying units such as its Rangers and Berets, but they don't bring the complete package like a MEU does. One thing to note about a MEU, it is shadowed by a Navy Carrier Battle Group, this includes an aircraft carrier and all of its support ships. The Army depends much on the Air Force to help move personnel and equipment around.
Secondly the mindsets of the two are very different. I have multiple Army friends (from the lowly PVT2 to a 2 star general) who speak of their admiration for Marines, the discipline, training and professionalism. This isn't to say that the army is deficient in any of those things, but there is a clear war fighting mindset difference in the two. The Marine Corps standards are higher, thus creating a much sharper force with which to work with.
Check this video out on the MAGTF https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YivJpZPJejw
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Some would say it is like oil and water but that would say one is lesser then the other and this is simply not the case.
The Army is set to put lots of people on the ground quickly and overwhelming force and big open conflict. The Marines have been training for ever on close quarter combat I read an article where the top official for the Marines saw combat roles changing and instead of it staying on open fields it moving into close quarter combat going from house to house and having to move that way plus ships are small and set up for this type of fighting. If I where to deploy the 2 I would have the Army on the out side keeping everyone in and the Marines doing the door to door searches do to the type of training they both have to consolidate would be dumb. The air force separated from the Army essentially taking away there hardware after 9/11 the air force requested army troops to stand watch at the air force basses while all there security forces got deployed. If the 2 would have stayed army air core this may have not happen I have seen lots of stuff go good at first because it seems like a good idea at the time but when it goes wrong the first thing said is well it seems a good idea at that time ike a
The Army is set to put lots of people on the ground quickly and overwhelming force and big open conflict. The Marines have been training for ever on close quarter combat I read an article where the top official for the Marines saw combat roles changing and instead of it staying on open fields it moving into close quarter combat going from house to house and having to move that way plus ships are small and set up for this type of fighting. If I where to deploy the 2 I would have the Army on the out side keeping everyone in and the Marines doing the door to door searches do to the type of training they both have to consolidate would be dumb. The air force separated from the Army essentially taking away there hardware after 9/11 the air force requested army troops to stand watch at the air force basses while all there security forces got deployed. If the 2 would have stayed army air core this may have not happen I have seen lots of stuff go good at first because it seems like a good idea at the time but when it goes wrong the first thing said is well it seems a good idea at that time ike a
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