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I had a newer Private in my unit pose this question to me at my last drill weekend. In context, this Private was walking outside the Company area and saluted a cadet who did not return the salute. I have minimal experience dealing with Cadets, and informed him that I would get a proper answer for him. To my understanding they can be saluted as a sign of respect, but it isn't required yet.
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We had a cadet spend a few weeks with us in a Charlie Med one summer. She said we had to salute her. One of my buddies rattled off the regulation you posted above. Then said, "no miss, we do not have to salute you, you haven't commissioned yet, you kind of aren't actually IN the army yet".
The same cadet was quite butthurt and kept terrorizing the lower enlisted for salutes. So we just started to call her "dot" referring to her "rank".
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LTC Howard Lund
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When I finished summer advanced camp, I did two weeks with a scout plt in 2/5 Cav, 1 Cav Div. When I arrived I told the enlisted that my rank is "Cadet", just as theirs is private, specialist, sergeant, etc. and as far as I knew, I was not qualified to being saluted, not being commisioned. Had a terrific time, led me to a Cavalry career.
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TSgt Michael Williamson
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Kididiots.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter actually the rank has a cadet in front of it. it is cadet 2LT, cadet 1LT, cadet CPT, etc. when they are in some type of training, the cadet regulations is only one dot. I do not think cadets deserve to get saluted.
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LCpl Cody Collins
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Now that's thinking outside of the box.
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SFC George Smith
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NO ... they have Not Yet earned the Right or the Privileges... they still have the opportunity to BOLO
When We were training or had to deal with them ... in the Distant past... they were referred as Cadet... and treated as Sgt. E-5's...
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CPT Mark Goudzwaard
CPT Mark Goudzwaard
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I was enlisted in the USAR and later joined ROTC’s Simultaneous Membership Program. Went from a PFC to E-5 overnight. My Bn Cdr really liked me and assigned me to a Company XO position, where the Co Cdr was off at Officer Advanced course. This effectively made me Acting Commander as a Cadet. Never once did I “ask” for a salute. In formation, my 1SGT rendered a salute. In formal situations people saluted the slot. The rest were earned based on respect. I’ve always viewed the salute as a mutual effort. After commissioning, I was far more offended by a fellow Officer that returned a salute in a half assed manner than I ever was because an E-4 failed to present a salute at the PX or whatever.
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COL Infantry Officer
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Depends on the type of cadet. By law USMA cadets rank below a WO1 and above an E9. Not sure how that applies to ROTC (whether on contact or not) and SMP. When I did my “3rd Lieutenant” cadet time in Germany many years ago the NCOS in the platoon saw me as “Their LT” and were all over any Soldier who didn’t salute me. Kinda cool and taught me the power of good NCOs.
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PO1 Darrell Sanders
PO1 Darrell Sanders
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I'm confused, I've dealt with a few cadets and a few midshipmen. As a cpl (0331)in the Marine Corps they didn't exist except as a nuisance. No salutes or salutations any different than any other junior enlisted. They were there to observe only. My Sgt said to ignore them. What kind of command did you give these soldiers of sailor wannabe's. In May of 78 we had NROTC Midshipmen aboard the USS William V. Pratt DDG-44. I was a DS2. It was our Duty to mess with these people as best we could without being cruel. Make sure they wanted to command sailers and not play at being the next Admiral Nimitz. Find the troughs and slow the ship down at mess call. have the lookout call down to the Bridge that a B1rd was approaching at 270 degrees. or a Gu11 just appeared over the horizon. I had seen them look for everything from a left handed monkey wrench to a gallon of relative bearing grease. Mostly we didn't interact with them. I cannot fathom letting someone with no experience play at command I was watch supervisor in Combat systems. A few came into observe. Treated them like you would any student they were there to learn not command. If they saluted me I looked at them the same way a 1st Sgt looks at a Pvt that would salute him except I was nicer. I just walked away. I was never asked to salute any of them. Cadets and Midshipmen should have been instructed in proper protocol long before they arrived at the new training area. In case you are confused, I spent 4 years in the Corps. and 10 years in the Navy. Doesn't make me an expert, but that was my experience with officer's of the future. It did bteak up the boredom....
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SSG John Dunshee
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I had some at Ft Huachuca back in the early 70's. Our Platoon Sgt told us that they are 3rd Lts and we should do as they say, after checking with him unless we knew better. They knew that they were green as grass and never gave anyone grief.
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SGT (Join to see) The answer is in 600-20, but this article summarizes it pretty succinctly...
https://mwi.usma.edu/yes-sergeant-actually-west-point-cadet-outrank/
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COL Charles Williams yes sir, I have read AR 600-25 on saluting because I knew there were certain places that soldiers should not salute and no one believed me when I told them you do not salute in public places like at a theater, etc. In addition, I don't have a problem saluting officers, they earned it. I also read the cadet regulations because the PMS asked us what we were suppose to be called because we are not addressed as ma'am or sir. It does not state anything about us having to be saluted. in addition, as a cadet we say the oath of enlistment because we aren't officers. I don't know if it changed but everyone at our college says the oath of enlistment. During our commissioning ceremony, we are given the oath for commissioned officers. I am feeling out the paper work right now and they don't want me to sign that contract until I actually commission in the Army. I also look at it as even an MS 4 has not met all the requirements. we had a few ms 4s kicked out the program last year for various reasons. I do also agree cadets should salute other cadets that are higher in charge to get the practice in sir.
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SFC Robert Lee Rice
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SFC US Army,Retired,Vietnam Vet,I wouldn't salute a cadet,even a mil academy cadet,they haven't earned MY salute.Most of the ones I've come across didn't know their A-- from a hole in the ground.
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COL Charles Williams
COL Charles Williams
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SFC Robert Lee Rice - Thanks sincerely for your service and welcome home. I get it, but I was simply stating what the regulation states. My answer did not say salute.
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MAJ Mark N.
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Agree that by regulations, a WP or ROTC cadet (which is normally a "senior" cadet) who is placed into an active or reserve environment "should" be treated as a junior officer. But, I would caution any cadet who immediately demands that respect, especially from young enlisted who do not understand the pre-commissioning process. So, you cadets, EARN the respect you desire. As a former ROTC instructor, I gave this admonisionment to all my cadet attending a Cadet Troop Leading Training (CTLT) opportunity.
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