Posted on Dec 5, 2022
Should Donald Trump run for President in 2024?
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Should these recent events disqualify him?
1. He took classified documents and stored them in unlocked rooms.
2. He had dinner with two known antisemitic men.
3. He is now talking about suspending the Constitution.
Should he disqualify himself? In 2020 he said Biden was too old to become President. If Trump is reelected in 2024, he will be five months older than the age Biden was in 2020.
1. He took classified documents and stored them in unlocked rooms.
2. He had dinner with two known antisemitic men.
3. He is now talking about suspending the Constitution.
Should he disqualify himself? In 2020 he said Biden was too old to become President. If Trump is reelected in 2024, he will be five months older than the age Biden was in 2020.
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Speaking as someone who does not want him to run, I will still address your points. However, whether I vote for him or not, which is really the question, depends on the candidate the Dems put up should Trump win the nomination (which I do not think he will this time around).
1. He did not "take" classified documents, he retained them and fought with the Library of Congress as to whether he could continue holding on to them. The documents were not left in an unlocked room, that is a complete mischaracterization of the information released. They were stored in his resort in offices not accessible to anyone without authorization and he still has Secret Service personnel providing security to his Mara Lago resort. To say they were unprotected is a farce. Had this been the case, the FBI would have retrieved them a long time ago.
2. Maybe so and the facts are still coming out about that. Having dinner with antisemitic people does not make one antisemitic. You do know his son-in-law and his daughter are Jewish right? I assume you also noted his support to Israel as President right? The fact is, we have no idea how the dinner played out, what happened, what they may have talked about, etc. This is why it is important to get all the facts before judging people.
3. Trump, as usual, spoke irrationally and I personally think he never meant "suspend the Constitution" as he was referring to rules in general on the Twitter topic. He's frustrated about Twitter's actions to suppress information and rightfully so. However, the way he articulates his frustration and such is what I take issue with. Not because I believe he wants to do away with the Constitution. There are plenty of folks on the left who want to do away with all kinds of parts of the Constitution (Right bear arms, Electoral College, some even want to allow children and illegal immigrants to vote). What Trump said in typical Trump fashion, not separating and qualifying his statements, was stupid and yes, it is a big reason why I do not want him to run.
With that said, I will not be voting for him in the Primaries. The General election has yet to be determined, but a second term for Biden I believe will be much worse. Either way, we'd be screwed, which is why I say it is time for the American people to start promoting my generation (X) and end the Baby Boomer era of control over the office of the President (and several other significant positions). It's not their age I'm concerned about so much (although Biden absolutely looks like he doesn't know where he is or what he's doing), it's their ability to grasp today's issues and resonate better with the American people. Trump and Biden are both set in their ways and way too polarizing, so I have little desire to see either of them continue. There are better options out there. But if you think Trump or even Biden will "disqualify" themselves, I don't think you understand these people that well. In the end, even two new candidates will be turned into polarizing figures, but I didn't like either one of these two before they chose to run from President. Finally, if you're going to use those three points to call for Trump to disqualify himself, have you ever put thought to Biden's questionable actions and statements? They're essentially two peas in the same pod.
1. He did not "take" classified documents, he retained them and fought with the Library of Congress as to whether he could continue holding on to them. The documents were not left in an unlocked room, that is a complete mischaracterization of the information released. They were stored in his resort in offices not accessible to anyone without authorization and he still has Secret Service personnel providing security to his Mara Lago resort. To say they were unprotected is a farce. Had this been the case, the FBI would have retrieved them a long time ago.
2. Maybe so and the facts are still coming out about that. Having dinner with antisemitic people does not make one antisemitic. You do know his son-in-law and his daughter are Jewish right? I assume you also noted his support to Israel as President right? The fact is, we have no idea how the dinner played out, what happened, what they may have talked about, etc. This is why it is important to get all the facts before judging people.
3. Trump, as usual, spoke irrationally and I personally think he never meant "suspend the Constitution" as he was referring to rules in general on the Twitter topic. He's frustrated about Twitter's actions to suppress information and rightfully so. However, the way he articulates his frustration and such is what I take issue with. Not because I believe he wants to do away with the Constitution. There are plenty of folks on the left who want to do away with all kinds of parts of the Constitution (Right bear arms, Electoral College, some even want to allow children and illegal immigrants to vote). What Trump said in typical Trump fashion, not separating and qualifying his statements, was stupid and yes, it is a big reason why I do not want him to run.
With that said, I will not be voting for him in the Primaries. The General election has yet to be determined, but a second term for Biden I believe will be much worse. Either way, we'd be screwed, which is why I say it is time for the American people to start promoting my generation (X) and end the Baby Boomer era of control over the office of the President (and several other significant positions). It's not their age I'm concerned about so much (although Biden absolutely looks like he doesn't know where he is or what he's doing), it's their ability to grasp today's issues and resonate better with the American people. Trump and Biden are both set in their ways and way too polarizing, so I have little desire to see either of them continue. There are better options out there. But if you think Trump or even Biden will "disqualify" themselves, I don't think you understand these people that well. In the end, even two new candidates will be turned into polarizing figures, but I didn't like either one of these two before they chose to run from President. Finally, if you're going to use those three points to call for Trump to disqualify himself, have you ever put thought to Biden's questionable actions and statements? They're essentially two peas in the same pod.
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
CDR Robert Carlisle No argument that J6 was an example of people getting carried away and breaking the law. However, the stigma that many will receive as a result is simply typical politics. One thing J6 is not, is an insurrection as some will try to insist. Additionally, Trump did not instruct them to commit violence or anything illegal. That said, I have never been a fan of the man. I’d prefer a different candidate but I’m torn with the current worst President this country has ever experienced. Yes, much of what Trump did was successful and I appreciate his accomplishments. But ultimately he lost and he should move on as far as I’m concerned.
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SSG Douglas Shaffer
Were these documents located in a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF) Yes or No? If Yes, then they were in a protected documented area. If No, then they were purposely removed from the SCIF therefore showing wiliness or intent to remove and hid classified documents. Was Trumps personal office the SCIF's location, No. It was in another room nearby that no documents in question were recovered from. A bathroom and or shower is not a SCIF, A Ballroom on stage is not a SCIF, a storage room by the pool is not a SCIF. Now could have Trump's office been allowed to review such documents and return them to the SCIF as part of his daily function and duties? Why Yes, however failure to return them to the SCIF is a violation period.
The National Archive tried for 8 months to recover the list of documents in Trump's control and possession, with little luck. Finally, they handed it over to the FBI who had executed a search warrant and found the documents in question, none of which were in a SCIF. the Secret Service's job is to protect the former President not to guard a closet of unknown contents.
You know full well how this works and trying to dumb it down is not the best kind of defense for anyone's action. It is implying that it's okay to be lazy and to just leave document lying about so long as a rough area around them is secured with unknowing personnel. I may have been an E-6 Infantrymen but even I know how to handle sensitive documents. Stating that Secret Service has it all under control implies they were aware of such documents and failed to take proper action to correct the situation and secure them in the SCIF and report the breach in security and their findings to their superiors. If they were aware, then they should all be fired and charged as well, for dereliction of their duties.
Now let's look at section 3 or the 14th Amendment. the last part of section 3.
"or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." The executive office is an officer of the government. If governors are held as officers of the state government, then it stands to reason so does the president of the United States stands as an officer of the government.
Did Trump state not by full quote "When I'm re-elected, I will pardon those convicted of Jan. 6" "They are political prisoners, and I will let them go free" is this or is this not giving "Comfort" to those that have committed and were convicted of insurrection? Yes, or No?
Did Trump attend a fund raiser earlier this year, for defense funds for those of Jan 6th and those that are appealing their convection of insurrection and other crimes and even stated that again not full quote "I will put some money in as well." Is this or is it not giving "Aid" to those that have been charged and or convicted of insurrection? Yes, or No?
If you say yes to any one of those two statements then he shouldn't be on the ballot and that is the argument, one should be making.
You may state that Jan 6th was not an insurrection that was caused by Trump. Sure, he may have said some dumb things in the heat of the moment, but his action after Jan. 6th with his further statements says a whole different story.
How many of his attorneys have been disbarred? or quit for not wanting to jeopardize their careers and family.
The guy is a wrecking ball who doesn't care what happens to you or I or anyone else for that matter, just ask all the contractors he bankrupted in New Jersey. Why do you think New Jersey kicked him out he was wrecking their local economy, by bankrupting the little guy over his bankruptcies of debt he owed them!
The National Archive tried for 8 months to recover the list of documents in Trump's control and possession, with little luck. Finally, they handed it over to the FBI who had executed a search warrant and found the documents in question, none of which were in a SCIF. the Secret Service's job is to protect the former President not to guard a closet of unknown contents.
You know full well how this works and trying to dumb it down is not the best kind of defense for anyone's action. It is implying that it's okay to be lazy and to just leave document lying about so long as a rough area around them is secured with unknowing personnel. I may have been an E-6 Infantrymen but even I know how to handle sensitive documents. Stating that Secret Service has it all under control implies they were aware of such documents and failed to take proper action to correct the situation and secure them in the SCIF and report the breach in security and their findings to their superiors. If they were aware, then they should all be fired and charged as well, for dereliction of their duties.
Now let's look at section 3 or the 14th Amendment. the last part of section 3.
"or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." The executive office is an officer of the government. If governors are held as officers of the state government, then it stands to reason so does the president of the United States stands as an officer of the government.
Did Trump state not by full quote "When I'm re-elected, I will pardon those convicted of Jan. 6" "They are political prisoners, and I will let them go free" is this or is this not giving "Comfort" to those that have committed and were convicted of insurrection? Yes, or No?
Did Trump attend a fund raiser earlier this year, for defense funds for those of Jan 6th and those that are appealing their convection of insurrection and other crimes and even stated that again not full quote "I will put some money in as well." Is this or is it not giving "Aid" to those that have been charged and or convicted of insurrection? Yes, or No?
If you say yes to any one of those two statements then he shouldn't be on the ballot and that is the argument, one should be making.
You may state that Jan 6th was not an insurrection that was caused by Trump. Sure, he may have said some dumb things in the heat of the moment, but his action after Jan. 6th with his further statements says a whole different story.
How many of his attorneys have been disbarred? or quit for not wanting to jeopardize their careers and family.
The guy is a wrecking ball who doesn't care what happens to you or I or anyone else for that matter, just ask all the contractors he bankrupted in New Jersey. Why do you think New Jersey kicked him out he was wrecking their local economy, by bankrupting the little guy over his bankruptcies of debt he owed them!
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
Once again, read the entire thread if you’re going to come in here and repeat the same things which have been addressed. Yes, President’s homes do actually get cleared for TS/SCI materials. I’ve been a part of these efforts for COCOM Commander’s homes. Where you think he might have seen or read these documents at his home is speculation at best. He was storing them. For what reason, I don’t know, and I do not recommend doing so.
Yes, the NA was in talks with the former President, who was challenging their demands. In the meantime, the documents were safe, the FBI even paid a visit to provide more security recommendations, those were applied, and the SS had even upgraded the facilities after the President’s term ended.
To be clear, I am not dumbing down anything, I am providing perspective and facts. Just because it does not fit your narrative, does not make you right. So please, spare me the self-righteousness suggesting I have a dog in this fight other than my disgust at how we are weaponizing certain aspects of the law to deny a President from running again. I am no fan of Trump, I’ve been very clear about that, but I will not stand by and watch people simply accept false narratives, only to have them continue on and on again in politics for no better reason than to win elections through back channels means. I have handled and retained my clearance for the better part of over 28 years and what you fail to recognize is that neither you or I are or were ever President. So please do not be so self-absorbed to think the standards / conditions are exactly the same for us. They’re not.
As for the 14th Amendment, you failed to read and interpret it properly. The President is not an officer, they are elected officials and furthermore, President Trump participated in and/or incited no actions for our so called “enemies” of the US. This whole effort is yet another reach by the left to avoid an election matchup with Trump because they know they will likely lose. As much as I’d rather see another GOP candidate, I am again disgusted with what they are doing here as it will only invite more of the same baseless opinions in efforts to deny candidates from running. In essence, it will only hurt this country profoundly and for what? Because you hate Trump? As for who he would pardon, if you haven’t noticed anything about Trump, he does not speak in definitive. He did not quantify which rioters (and I emphasize rioters) and I have yet to see any of them that attended get convicted of insurrection, so no, thus far you cannot tie his quote to providing aid and comfort to anyone a court could name as an enemy to this nation. While many of the people who entered our Capitol were stupid, violent, and did in fact break the law, many more were caught up in the mix. It’s pretty obvious that Trump intends to defend their actions or at least have the appropriate level of the law applied to them.
So bottom line with all your conjecture, is that no, the 14th amendment does not apply, there wasn’t an insurrection brought on by Trump, no one has been convicted of committing an insurrection, and the two idiots, convicted of seditious conspiracy, had their plans in motion long before Trump ever encouraged people to come to the Capitol to protest the result of the election (when he also said to march peacefully and patriotically).
Now, all that said, my opinion of Trump as a leader, businessman, and President is irrelevant. I am looking at his actions and whether he broke any laws, and I am challenging the numerous crazy allegations levied at him. This matters because if successful, it will happen again, and again, for no better reason than because politicians can get away with it. All it will lead to is the end of this nation. I cannot emphasize enough that I do not want Trump to be the GOP candidate. But I will emphatically say he is a large step up from the current President, who my opinion is the worst President this nation has ever seen. However, if the left or those who simply hate Trump seriously want to beat him, they need to do it the right way, through the ballots. If he’s as bad as you say, they should be able to beat him, but they don’t seem to be confident this time around. Hence the back-channel attacks, accusations, and mischaracterizations. What they don’t realize is that they in effect moving many people like me into becoming pragmatic enough to vote for him because one, we have the worst President in US history in office now, and two, we don’t want to see baseless and weaponized attacks against this or any candidate become SOP.
Yes, the NA was in talks with the former President, who was challenging their demands. In the meantime, the documents were safe, the FBI even paid a visit to provide more security recommendations, those were applied, and the SS had even upgraded the facilities after the President’s term ended.
To be clear, I am not dumbing down anything, I am providing perspective and facts. Just because it does not fit your narrative, does not make you right. So please, spare me the self-righteousness suggesting I have a dog in this fight other than my disgust at how we are weaponizing certain aspects of the law to deny a President from running again. I am no fan of Trump, I’ve been very clear about that, but I will not stand by and watch people simply accept false narratives, only to have them continue on and on again in politics for no better reason than to win elections through back channels means. I have handled and retained my clearance for the better part of over 28 years and what you fail to recognize is that neither you or I are or were ever President. So please do not be so self-absorbed to think the standards / conditions are exactly the same for us. They’re not.
As for the 14th Amendment, you failed to read and interpret it properly. The President is not an officer, they are elected officials and furthermore, President Trump participated in and/or incited no actions for our so called “enemies” of the US. This whole effort is yet another reach by the left to avoid an election matchup with Trump because they know they will likely lose. As much as I’d rather see another GOP candidate, I am again disgusted with what they are doing here as it will only invite more of the same baseless opinions in efforts to deny candidates from running. In essence, it will only hurt this country profoundly and for what? Because you hate Trump? As for who he would pardon, if you haven’t noticed anything about Trump, he does not speak in definitive. He did not quantify which rioters (and I emphasize rioters) and I have yet to see any of them that attended get convicted of insurrection, so no, thus far you cannot tie his quote to providing aid and comfort to anyone a court could name as an enemy to this nation. While many of the people who entered our Capitol were stupid, violent, and did in fact break the law, many more were caught up in the mix. It’s pretty obvious that Trump intends to defend their actions or at least have the appropriate level of the law applied to them.
So bottom line with all your conjecture, is that no, the 14th amendment does not apply, there wasn’t an insurrection brought on by Trump, no one has been convicted of committing an insurrection, and the two idiots, convicted of seditious conspiracy, had their plans in motion long before Trump ever encouraged people to come to the Capitol to protest the result of the election (when he also said to march peacefully and patriotically).
Now, all that said, my opinion of Trump as a leader, businessman, and President is irrelevant. I am looking at his actions and whether he broke any laws, and I am challenging the numerous crazy allegations levied at him. This matters because if successful, it will happen again, and again, for no better reason than because politicians can get away with it. All it will lead to is the end of this nation. I cannot emphasize enough that I do not want Trump to be the GOP candidate. But I will emphatically say he is a large step up from the current President, who my opinion is the worst President this nation has ever seen. However, if the left or those who simply hate Trump seriously want to beat him, they need to do it the right way, through the ballots. If he’s as bad as you say, they should be able to beat him, but they don’t seem to be confident this time around. Hence the back-channel attacks, accusations, and mischaracterizations. What they don’t realize is that they in effect moving many people like me into becoming pragmatic enough to vote for him because one, we have the worst President in US history in office now, and two, we don’t want to see baseless and weaponized attacks against this or any candidate become SOP.
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I hope not! In my opinion, he does not embrace our value system and integrity! These factors and questionable behaviors are not consistent with the leader of the free world!
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PFC Pamala (Hall) Foster
SGT Louis Perrault - Abusive cowards, like Trump, are very charming. Confirmed Sex Abuser, and I have a feeling soon to a Convict Number 2024-45- (State fills in the rest). Soon Michigan may add the lists of states filing action.
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PFC Pamala (Hall) Foster - Same crap you said before, talk to pedo joe about abuse as there is actual proof of his just ask Ashley Biden. He will not go to jail and after 7 years I would think people like you would realize that. Get your head out of the sand and stop listening to MSM's
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Along with your three points, we need to remember additional accusations (tampering with Georgia electors, egregious tax fraud, January 6th involvement, etc.)
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23306941/donald-trump-crimes-criminal-investigation-mar-a-lago-fbi-january-6-election-georgia-new-york
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23306941/donald-trump-crimes-criminal-investigation-mar-a-lago-fbi-january-6-election-georgia-new-york
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