Posted on Apr 10, 2016
Should gender be a consideration for guard duty?
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Ok here is the situation: I am running a 11B ALC course and we got 5 soldiers attached to us from the finance BN and 2 of them are females. They have to rotate shifts for ammo guard. Since we are about to have the first female in the infantry is it wrong to have 1 female and 1 male do ammo guard.
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I'm trying to remember which of the General Orders include "sexualize guard duty."
No issue. Just remind them of the expectations of conduct, then hold them accountable.
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So why is this a question.....is there a leadership problem within the unit...are the individuals on guard duty too mature and you are afraid they will act immaturely? (then why are they in the service?)...or are we just trolling here to stir up more angst over women in the military. How about a better question.....are the male soldiers mature enough or are they still thinking with the little head?
JH Christ on a crutch....how about should a male and female stand watch together in a data center van all alone without supervision.... or should there be a male and a female on Staff duty overnight?
How about in the corporate world...dang, maybe I better re-think sending a male and a female co-worker on a two week trip to India...or let a male and female work together late at night.....
Maybe we should just put all women in burkas so there isn't a problem
JH Christ on a crutch....how about should a male and female stand watch together in a data center van all alone without supervision.... or should there be a male and a female on Staff duty overnight?
How about in the corporate world...dang, maybe I better re-think sending a male and a female co-worker on a two week trip to India...or let a male and female work together late at night.....
Maybe we should just put all women in burkas so there isn't a problem
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No there is not a leadership problem. I just wanted to get people's opinion. I'm not sure how mature these soldiers will be, I have never met them.
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FWIW while at OCS (2010), we (HHC, 11th INF Regt OCS) sent a female to the Post HQ to perform Staff Duty, paired with a permanent-party SFC (E-7). Long story short, the SFC assaulted the OCS Candidate-- downstairs from the 2-Star. The only upside was that the punitive system worked, and the MPs and CID had that dirtbag SFC cuffed & stuffed within 10 minutes of being notified.
It still happens no matter the rank or place. All you can hope for is that people can make good decisions.
It still happens no matter the rank or place. All you can hope for is that people can make good decisions.
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GySgt Carl Rumbolo
SFC (Join to see) - "I have never met them" - so then based on no knowledge of the individuals, you raise a question why? The command policy appears to be 'equal treatment for all' - you appear to be questioning the command policy based on what?
Your question was essentially 'is this proper?" Are you uncomfortable with this policy, if so why?
Your question was essentially 'is this proper?" Are you uncomfortable with this policy, if so why?
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SFC (Join to see) Not an entirely off the wall question. With all the gnashing of teeth over this issue in the past months and years, now that it is actually upon US it's understandable in the minds of some, if there is anything special about the way the policy is implemented, any special considerations, or anything you should know in your position as Course Manager so you can provide better guidance to your troops and help quell any uncertainties on their part. If, God forbid, you made any missteps in the integration of women into yr normal routine, be assured you would hear about it from many different people and directions. Better be safe than sorry and consult with yr COC to gain any insights or other forms of leadership from them before you tread where no one has trod before.
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SFC (Join to see) Absolutely not, there is nothing wrong with pair up two Soldiers, regardless of gender, for guard duty. We are all professionals and should be able to conduct ourselves accordingly.
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I believe in equal rights for men and women, and I have served with women that could out perform men. On the other hand, I have served with women who just couldn't perform certain tasks. You have to be fair to everyone in your outfit, so put the women on ammo duty, but document any slack of performance--on both sexes. This will give you self-defense incase someone cries discrimination.
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We're all soldiers, we should be responsible enough not to dittle on duty. And if we aren't, that's what ucmj is for.
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I would also agree that there should be no problem with putting a woman on the roster for guard duty whereever she falls in the line up. I would also state that this will only become a problem after something unfortunate happens and the political talking heads get involve. Then let there be mercy on the local leadership because they will certainly be sacrificed.
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We had males with females in Bosnia for the tower guards (only 2 guards in a tower) of the base camp. Put them on guard does not matter they are all soldiers
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