Posted on Feb 29, 2016
Gayane Badalian-Very MD. Ph.D
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Real Cost of Cyber Crime

Cyber crime is a type of of crime that not only destroys the security system of a country but also its financial system. One supporter of legislation against cyber crime, Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas), stated, "Our mouse can be just as dangerous as a bullet or a bomb." Cyber attackers should be penalized and punished severely and most cyber crimes have penalties reflecting t
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Capt Richard I P.
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I do not think the government is sufficiently competent to justly impose death penalties for any crime.
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Historically there is little correlation between punishment and the crime. Unless they are watching live child porn no cyber crime is violent or bad enough to merit death. Increase in the fines and loosening the restrictions about fining the personal incomes of the individuals involved yes.
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Gayane Badalian-Very MD. Ph.D
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there are several other conditions that Could cause direct physical damage... Independent to the means (cyber space) it must be treated as actual crime.
Human trafficking, abuse of minors, organ trafficking's are grave indeed yet there are more serious crimes out there and honestly having the death penalty as an option would be extremely helpful.
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LTC Yinon Weiss
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Gayane Badalian-Very MD. Ph.D - You could also impose capital punishment for minor crimes, like speeding, and I bet it there will be a correlation in a decrease of speeding. Referencing a statistical correlation in crime is not enough of a logical argument in my view to justify killing somebody. If you have a different argument to make, then that would be more appropriate.
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Gayane Badalian-Very MD. Ph.D
Gayane Badalian-Very MD. Ph.D
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Well, I was not trying to be entertaining rather I intended to draw attention to serious existing threats.. Such as cyber terrorism, Organized crimes in Child exploitations, Human and organ trafficking.. Unfortunately we do not have sufficient legislations addressing these issues and we see exponential rise in cybercrimes on monthly bases..I will be delighted forwarding you census data on these.. Cyber space must not provide sanctuary to major crimes and felonies... Do not tell me they are not serious enough Private and we shall compare them to speeding...
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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Capital Punishment should be reserved for "removing monsters from society permanently."

People who commit crimes so vile that we can never put them back in society and their very existence threatens it.

The issue with lumping cyber crimes into that class is that we must ask ourselves "Will giving the Government (Justice System) this tool benefit society? Can they be trusted to use it correctly?"

As it stands, I have a very hard time justifying access to this tool, even though I believe it should exist. I would be hard pressed to expand its use into non-violent areas.
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Gayane Badalian-Very MD. Ph.D
Gayane Badalian-Very MD. Ph.D
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I have got to disagree with you.. Let me explain... If you orchestrate a major crime even if you are not the person committing it personally, you could get subjected to Capital Punishment. Why should it be any different if you are using the cyber space?

Capital Punishment for major cybercrimes already exist in several countries. And , here is the surprising factor the rater of cyber crime started dropping significantly after the legislation was put in place.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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Gayane Badalian-Very MD. Ph.D - How much do you trust the Government to get it right? How many people have been sent to jail for crimes they didn't commit, or forced to plea for charges because the government has escalated?

You can't undo the death penalty. And our government has been show to be untrustworthy its current arsenal of tools.
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Gayane Badalian-Very MD. Ph.D
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Well, it is true, we can not undo the death. but I do not think we could place the blame square on the government.. Juris tend to come to verdict and they are composed of civilians.. If governments get to decide they usually put the defendant on military court and get them shot on spot.. So it is unfair to blame the government for short comings in human nature (reliance on emotion and lack of logic!!)

Yet again one has to keep in mind major cybercrimes could lead to life loss.... And 20th century legislations are not fit for 21st century crimes. Cyber criminals are not punished severely enough and that leads to escalation of the crime. Perhaps Life sentence in absolute solitary with no access to any technology would do.. Guess they would suffer more...
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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Gayane Badalian-Very MD. Ph.D - I'm not blaming the government. I'm pointing out realities of the situation. No system is perfect, but we must weigh the risk of "worst case" when looking at all systems. In your proposal, innocent people die. Furthermore, non-violent criminals die because you believe them to be on the same level as "monsters." We already have laws to address people commit "capital crimes." Expanding that definition into non-violent offenses opens the floodgates and makes the system more error prone, not less.

As for your assertion that "cyber criminals are not punished enough" I'd tend to disagree. We throw the book at them. We just don't kill them. Nor should we. Nor should we lock ANYONE in solitary for life. That serves no purpose other than revenge, which is a far cry from Justice.
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
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The death penalty should only be used for crimes in which the perpetrator willfully causes the death of a person. If the cyber crime purposely causes or substantially contributes the cause of death of a person, I would be OK with seeking the death penalty and allowing a jury to decide if that punishment fits the crime. Other than that.. No.
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Gayane Badalian-Very MD. Ph.D
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John, unfortunately cybercrime has a potential of mass physical damage... It is unfortunate but the potential is there...
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
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Gayane Badalian-Very MD. Ph.D - I certainly understand that, however, unless that "physical damage" directly contributes to or causes a loss of life, the crime does not warrant the death penalty. That does not mean that the perpetrator should not spend the rest of his/her life in prison.
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1SG John Millan
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worked a number of child victim cases as a detective, before I was a chief and I firmly believe raping a child should be a DP bounce.
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MSgt C Madd
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Yes, as we go forward the more dependent we become on computers and the more vulnerable all aspects of our government become.
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Gayane Badalian-Very MD. Ph.D
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I can not agree more with you.. Unfortunately both domestic and international cybercriminals feel safe and untouchable due to lack of legislations. It is time to take ACTION..
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Must correlate to the death of someone. Other than that and treason, absolutely not.
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No,because they should have to rot in prison for what they did not just have a short burst of energy go through their body's and then they are dead.
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Gayane Badalian-Very MD. Ph.D
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Perhaps Life sentence in absolute solitary with no access to any technology would do.. perhaps you are right, they would suffer more...
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Cpl Jeff N.
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Only if you could make a connection between the cybercrime and the loss of life in the commission of the cybercrime and tie in a first degree murder charge. Normally there is a premeditation component on a murder charge to get the death penalty.

Using your logic, there are many crimes we could start to lump into capital punishment crimes. How about the guy that puts the card skimmer in the credit card machine or the identity thief that wrecks peoples lives? You appear to be in the technology business so your "ox is being gored" on cybercrime, how about the next guys ox that is being gored?

By the way, we put so few people to death these days a death sentence takes 35 years to even carry out. I am sure cyber criminals will be more prone to get leniency than first degree, cold blooded , murderers.
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Gayane Badalian-Very MD. Ph.D
Gayane Badalian-Very MD. Ph.D
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Well, it is truly complicated.. There are cyber crimes leading to loss of life and yes, the criminals must have the capital punishments for that on their plate.
Identity thefts should be analyze on individual bases, penalties must be adjusted based on the damage caused and we must go as far as LIFE SENTENCE In SOLATARY RETENTIN...
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Gayane Badalian-Very MD. Ph.D
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When Population supports cyber criminals!!
This question was posted on a different forum and I got an astonishing comment from a lady in NY!! Here it is..
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Digital Marketing/Social Media Manager at Patient Advocators

I'm not following the logic. The above article does not describe a scenario where a cyber crime has resulted in loss of life (can you provide one?) Most cyber "criminals" are either interested in hacking for the sake of hacking/accessing a site to prove they can get in, or, more typically, for personal profit/gain (stealing identities, credit card info, and the like). I'm surprised that an MD would support capital punishment, under all but the most heinous of crimes (and even then, it's surprising).
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Gayane Badalian-Very MD. Ph.D
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And here was my reply to her,
Judith, Precisely this type of approvals are destructive to the society.. I am astonished that people are supporting cybercriminals!!! Let me explain.. 1. Kids who are hacking for the sake of fun!! Never steal funds/data.. It is just a puberty perk for most of them... Yet again they should not be playing with fire ( you will not be approving you kid to play with actual fire as there are always consequences ) 2. Cybercriminals are criminals ( first time offenders and Felons) that Practically commit a crime in cyber space for the sake of financial gain ( they must be punished accordingly-first time bank rubbery 15 years, Felons from 25 year to life ) 3. Major cyber criminals take an step further, they do not just lead to financial damage but to physical and psychological damages... Child and Human traffickers, Organ traffickers, Act of treason are SOME examples of the 3rd group. Well, in real life they tend to get Life sentence to capital punishments I do not see why the same rules would not apply to cyber space... And just for your knowledge; Last year cybercriminals stole over 500 billion dollar from US companies and this number is estimated to reach 1.3 trillion USD in 2018!!! That is 7% of US budget!!! And guess what, these costs are compensated by US government/ and eventually tax payers like yourself... Cyberspace must not be a sanctuary for criminals and if having capital punishment as an option may help reduce the horrendous crimes we must consider it... Just that you know, capital punishment is a common practice in China for cybercriminal. In 2014 only there were 500 execution.
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LCpl Mark Lefler
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only if you can prove the crime killed someone, otherwise no not at all.
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Gayane Badalian-Very MD. Ph.D
Gayane Badalian-Very MD. Ph.D
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Mark, major cyber crimes have that potential... It is unfortunate but these jerks are using cyber space as sanctuary committing crimes equivalent to the actual crimes....
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LCpl Mark Lefler
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Gayane Badalian-Very MD. Ph.D - for me, personally, unless someone dies from it and dies in a horrific way, then no, it does not warrant the death penalty. someone murders someone they still do not necessarily get the death penalty. the death penalty has to meet specific criteria. I can't see a cyber crime meeting that criteria.
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PO3 David Fries
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I would say that it would depend on extenuating circumstances. If the cyber crime caused directly linked deaths, then I would have to say yes. If just monetary losses, then I would have to say no.
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