Posted on Mar 15, 2016
Should I report unprofessional behavior through the Chain of Command or an IG complaint?
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Thank you,
-RP Staff
Recently was involved in an one way exchange with a CPT in which she directed towards a Senior NCO (SFC) in a derogatory, belittling and denigrating expressing her personal feelings toward such SFC. Since this is to get get a general consensus of what should be done, I would like to leave out names and places out but can include that the CPT's comments towards the SFC included: "you are a sorry a$$ excuse of an NCO", " you are the biggest piece of $hit I know" and continued to go on not just about such Senior NCO but included the family members.
Considering that if this was a lower to an NCO doing this, the Soldier would be crucified. If this was an NCO to an officer?, someone would be out of a job.
I heard one day that the moment you lose your bearing you lost the argument. So the SFC did the right thing by keeping professionally quiet and bringing up to the supervisor. Situation is now: such CPT has gone around telling Soldiers how "she ripped in to this SFC with a grin"...
What would be some appropriate ways to handle this situation?
Thank you,
-RP Staff
Recently was involved in an one way exchange with a CPT in which she directed towards a Senior NCO (SFC) in a derogatory, belittling and denigrating expressing her personal feelings toward such SFC. Since this is to get get a general consensus of what should be done, I would like to leave out names and places out but can include that the CPT's comments towards the SFC included: "you are a sorry a$$ excuse of an NCO", " you are the biggest piece of $hit I know" and continued to go on not just about such Senior NCO but included the family members.
Considering that if this was a lower to an NCO doing this, the Soldier would be crucified. If this was an NCO to an officer?, someone would be out of a job.
I heard one day that the moment you lose your bearing you lost the argument. So the SFC did the right thing by keeping professionally quiet and bringing up to the supervisor. Situation is now: such CPT has gone around telling Soldiers how "she ripped in to this SFC with a grin"...
What would be some appropriate ways to handle this situation?
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Approach the Chain of Command first, go up the Chain if nothing happens, then go to the IG.
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This is entirely inappropriate for Captain to act like that, even if the SFC is a poor NCO. The Captain must never serve in a command position.
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Well, sorry to say this was how it seemed to be when I came in in the 70's. But, without the comments about the NCO's Family. That crossed the line.
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There are many approaches I would take,but as soon as the CPT started referring to my Family that takes it form being a professional conversation to being a personal interaction. At that point I would have ended the conversation and informed the 1SG that I would be making an IG complaint regarding the CPT and the lack of professionalism and personal attack.
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Sounds like that NCO could be ROAD and long overdue for a stern taking to. This is why I hart a peacetime military. We concern ourselves with all the wrong things. Mission, that's the only thing that matters.
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I would report as soon as you could and as mentioned previous ok document as much as you can. If I were the NCO, I would have taken the yelling right up o the point where my family was brought into, then I would have spent the night in jail.
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Embarrassed as a fellow CPT. How many times has any given senior NCO made me look good when I did not deserve it? More than the grains of sands of Myrtle Beach! I have watched those same NCOs turn around and make mistakes. The answer isn't to rip them but to cover down on them as we're partners in the same fight - taking care of our soldiers so that they can execute my bosses' intent.
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No officer has the right to publicly rip anyone in that manner. This is certainly a chain of command issue that I am more than sure would get resolved. Personally, I would request a meeting with said officer and the sergeant major to address issues of professionalism. If the SFC is out of standards then that can be addressed too, but there is a way to resolve this without it being an IG issue. Now, if said captain continues to be critical of family members, then that is out of line and has other consequences that I'm sure the captain wouldn't like. Bottom line: The captain and SFC need to be grownups and find a way to agree to disagree. This should not escalate any further.
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Definitely chain of command. I had a similar incident with a major in 1991. The major (also my boss) was screaming at me in the hallway of our squadron over decisions I had made in his absence while I was left in charge of the division while he was TDY. I immediately went to his boss (squadron commander) and told him I refuse to be treated like that. The commander asked me to stay calm and carry on. The major was fired the following day. For the rest of the story, see the Sep 1991 entry in Military Experiences in my profile.
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