Posted on Mar 15, 2016
Should I report unprofessional behavior through the Chain of Command or an IG complaint?
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Thank you,
-RP Staff
Recently was involved in an one way exchange with a CPT in which she directed towards a Senior NCO (SFC) in a derogatory, belittling and denigrating expressing her personal feelings toward such SFC. Since this is to get get a general consensus of what should be done, I would like to leave out names and places out but can include that the CPT's comments towards the SFC included: "you are a sorry a$$ excuse of an NCO", " you are the biggest piece of $hit I know" and continued to go on not just about such Senior NCO but included the family members.
Considering that if this was a lower to an NCO doing this, the Soldier would be crucified. If this was an NCO to an officer?, someone would be out of a job.
I heard one day that the moment you lose your bearing you lost the argument. So the SFC did the right thing by keeping professionally quiet and bringing up to the supervisor. Situation is now: such CPT has gone around telling Soldiers how "she ripped in to this SFC with a grin"...
What would be some appropriate ways to handle this situation?
Thank you,
-RP Staff
Recently was involved in an one way exchange with a CPT in which she directed towards a Senior NCO (SFC) in a derogatory, belittling and denigrating expressing her personal feelings toward such SFC. Since this is to get get a general consensus of what should be done, I would like to leave out names and places out but can include that the CPT's comments towards the SFC included: "you are a sorry a$$ excuse of an NCO", " you are the biggest piece of $hit I know" and continued to go on not just about such Senior NCO but included the family members.
Considering that if this was a lower to an NCO doing this, the Soldier would be crucified. If this was an NCO to an officer?, someone would be out of a job.
I heard one day that the moment you lose your bearing you lost the argument. So the SFC did the right thing by keeping professionally quiet and bringing up to the supervisor. Situation is now: such CPT has gone around telling Soldiers how "she ripped in to this SFC with a grin"...
What would be some appropriate ways to handle this situation?
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With All Due Respect, this CPT has no honor. Just because you have more authority doesn't mean you can use it to belittle someone with less rank than you. Officers are supposed to be the example of honor and dignity in the Military. Seems like this NCO has more about himself in all aspects of the military. The CPT should be brought up on slander charges through JAG if applicable. If the CHAIN OF COMMAND know about this, then they should be taking steps to ensure that this CPT gets reprimanded to the fullest extent. This not only looks bad on the CPT, but on all brass. The senior officers should take notice of this case especially to ensure that this type of thing never happens again. The military need its CO's and its NCO's. If they cannot respect each other, and set the example, then how are the lower ranks going to be taught how the military works. This is undeniably a "black eye" for the military and especially for all involved.
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I would like to know why is she still in the Army. The question is what caused her to go off like that but it doesn't matter, she lost her bearing and I wish I would have been there me and her would have some choice words
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Hmmm... we all agree that family is off limits, we all agree that the counseling time and place was inappropriate - the question, should you raise it up. Absolutely for good order and discipline if for no other reason.
I for one would love the army to return to the days where I started (Reagan era) - where we could let things fly a little more - thicker skins - I doubt that will happen, so in todays operating environment - this is one of the many issues that the COC must attend to. The IG has no role in it, but the Company chain, BN chain, and BDE chain will squash that crap like a bug. A nudge to an O5 from his trusty CSM will find that CPT on the first thing smoking.
I for one would love the army to return to the days where I started (Reagan era) - where we could let things fly a little more - thicker skins - I doubt that will happen, so in todays operating environment - this is one of the many issues that the COC must attend to. The IG has no role in it, but the Company chain, BN chain, and BDE chain will squash that crap like a bug. A nudge to an O5 from his trusty CSM will find that CPT on the first thing smoking.
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He probably doesn't give a shit. I never did.
Don't like me? Okay. Not here to make friends. I'm here to take care of my Soldiers, and execute orders. Your opinion of me, means as little as my opinion of you.
Don't like me? Okay. Not here to make friends. I'm here to take care of my Soldiers, and execute orders. Your opinion of me, means as little as my opinion of you.
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Take up the but maintain your professional conduct. The captain has shown herself to not only a poor leader but a bad person.
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This incident should always be brought up first thought the Chain of Command, And from that level definitely a course of action is going to take place. No Soldiers no matter what rank has the right to treat other Soldiers in a unprofessional way. That way we has Soldiers must follow and apply the Army values of respect, duty, loyalty, selfless service, integrity and personal courage in everything you do, according to the Army
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A lot of good responses here. I will add a point that I think many may be thinking but not saying. As a senior NCO my sphere of influence and "Army family" was exponentially wider and larger than 99% of Captains. Once my family was brought into it.....it was officially ON!! On the DL I would make it my life's work to utterly and completely destroy her. No place on the EARTH for you to hide once you have gone on attack toward my family. Plain and simple, there are official actions that need to be taken and then there is the "encouragement" of Karma.
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As a retired SNCO, here's my perspective:
1. The CPT needs to keep butt-chewings private, and not brag about it later. That part is definitely unprofessional. Praise is public; discipline is private.
2. Does the SNCO deserve to be chastised? Being an SNCO doesn't always exclude one from being a piece of crap.
There's always two sides to every story. The CPT may no something lower ranking Soldiers don't.
1. The CPT needs to keep butt-chewings private, and not brag about it later. That part is definitely unprofessional. Praise is public; discipline is private.
2. Does the SNCO deserve to be chastised? Being an SNCO doesn't always exclude one from being a piece of crap.
There's always two sides to every story. The CPT may no something lower ranking Soldiers don't.
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Just make sure you have all of your ducks in a line before you go to the commander.
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