Posted on Mar 15, 2016
SSG Carlos Madden
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Thank you,
-RP Staff

Recently was involved in an one way exchange with a CPT in which she directed towards a Senior NCO (SFC) in a derogatory, belittling and denigrating expressing her personal feelings toward such SFC. Since this is to get get a general consensus of what should be done, I would like to leave out names and places out but can include that the CPT's comments towards the SFC included: "you are a sorry a$$ excuse of an NCO", " you are the biggest piece of $hit I know" and continued to go on not just about such Senior NCO but included the family members.

Considering that if this was a lower to an NCO doing this, the Soldier would be crucified. If this was an NCO to an officer?, someone would be out of a job.

I heard one day that the moment you lose your bearing you lost the argument. So the SFC did the right thing by keeping professionally quiet and bringing up to the supervisor. Situation is now: such CPT has gone around telling Soldiers how "she ripped in to this SFC with a grin"...

What would be some appropriate ways to handle this situation?
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1LT Susan Bailey
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I agree with the many comments that this was way out of line behavior. I have to wonder what the MOS of the CPT was, only because there are some MOS's where people can enter as a Captain despite not having previous military experience. If so, than her behavior could also point to her lack of training, if not lack of appropriate mentorship as someone new to the rank.

I have encountered / been aware of bad behavior from Officers and NCO's. So none are immune. I don't think its always the solution to apply a nuclear solution when other options could be available to get them on the right track. If they fail to change their ways, or continue said behavior, than yes, maybe they are not suited to be in the military. Everyone can have a bad day, no one is immune. Now a pattern, despite attempted correction, well that is something else.

Lastly, I would have to agree, go up the chain first. I don't know one 1SG or Commander who would appreciate being blindsided by an IG complaint and not having had the chance to address it themselves.
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SFC Special Forces Medical Sergeant
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I'm not exactly sure about the regulations. I know a guy who was being investigated for disrespecting an officer.

However there is a line they can cross and once they do they are no longer protected by the UCMJ and the NCO is protected because of "conduct unbecoming" or something like that.

Like I said though. I don't know if asschewings like that cross the line or not.
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CSM Rik Williamson
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A couple of items here...
#1 Are there any negative counsels on this NCO?...if so, what corrective actions have been completed and has follow on counsel been accomplished to let this NCO know if he or she has met expectations?
#2 Is this CPT in the CoC...perhaps the CO? First stop should be immediate NCO support channel...Soldier's 1SG. Especially if the ass chewing was unfounded. If nothing is done about it, then straight to the CSM and keep climbing to the IG.
Been my experience over a lot of years that enlisted always get the short end...officers tend to get a hand slap and proceed along their career path.
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SMSgt William Hassiepen
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I've clearly seen instance where this happened in private but never in public. I think this is just one other case of how the overall quality of the US military has degraded over the years. The entitled millennials and yes their "entitled officers". To hold one accountable violated some BS social actions code. Frankly I don't believe that chain of command these days would do anything about this as all they would want to do is cover themselves. I also cannot believe that the Chain of Command already doesn't know about this especially since this idiot captain was bragging about her dressing down a SFC. This isn't the military I served in as this behavior would NEVER be tolerated. The behavior of this idiot captain is not surprising as well given the millennial generation these days. I believe the only recourse for this SFC is going to the IG. I believe the Chain will prove to be useless.
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SPC Christopher Renkel
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This type of situation I've seen too many times I'm sure some old dogs on here know exactly what I'm talking about when I say WTF happened to "NCO" business? If a ass chewing was warranted you got it chewed by Top then you got permission from Top to get it chewed by your CO.
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COL Hank Foresman
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Go see the CSM before going to the Bn CDR
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SPC John Lebiecki
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Open door policies are there to address these types of issues. If that was me, I'd be going straight to the Battalion CoC. If they didnt resolve it, I'd be requesting to take it to the Brigade CoC. Regardless, theres attempting to correct an issue and then there is unprofessional. This crossed that line
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SSG Ronald Rollins
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Sound like a very insecure captain who has no respect for herself or others. Thinks it makes her look like she is in charge and feels tough. Such an officer, I hope is found out by her superiors and is dealt with accordingly. There is not room in the military for people like this. I have seen NCOs act like this when the get promoted and do not have the respect of those they lead because they have done nothing to earn it. Had a captain that was former enlisted. He stated that he was better than enlisted because he went to college and got his commission. And he was better than other officers because he was enlisted and knew how to get away with things. He was a poor leader. Just like this officer is. It makes you wonder how they hide their true self for so long.
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Cpl Roy Savell
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This happens everyday in the Marine Corps
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COL State Surgeon Illinois Army National Guard
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I'm a BN Commander. If one of my CO's did that, Said CPT's ass is about to get handed to her. So the answer is Chain of Command.
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SSG Duane Elrod
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I want to report the original poster's grammar to IG.
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MSG Mechanic 2nd
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first go thru coc, but dont let it drop, go to ig if nothing becomes of it with you coc, unless it involes coc go next higher level
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SFC Detachment Sergeant
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I would take this to the 1SG and CSM and explain the issue. Let Top and CSM talk to the respective commanders and determine what the next course of action would be.
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SGT Combat Engineer
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SFC should not have said a word to ANYONE and then tried his best to make the utmost of friends with that Captain and when the time was right he should have served up that cold dish of revenge and no one would have EVER suspected him. It's exactly what I would have done. It works. I've never been caught.
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SSG Stephan Pendarvis
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COC.....but I guess it depends on the rank of the person involved.
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SFC Jasper Cothran
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FTX at night!
Just kidding.
Document and report. If witnessed by other get names, places, dates and times.
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LtCol Mac McCarty
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What are the facts. I see a whole lot of "s'posin'" going on. One possibility. The SFC has been counseled before on controlling his dependents. Shop-lifting in the PX. now, one of the kids got drunk with his buddies and destroyed a couple of the greens on the Base golf course.The Captain has been on the downhill side of the Base Commander, the Division Commander, the Regimental Commander, and the Battalion Commander. The. SFC goes wishy-washy-whiny defensive. You better believe I'd bring his family into it. I'm an old man. I grew up in a Corps where many of our senior officers and NCOs were WWII vets. As one of my regimental commanders once told me, "I can remember when a Captain could not only call a subordinate a piece of shit who was about to hit the brig--but the only question anyone would ask is 'How soon can we get a chaser?'." But, I'm an old man......
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GySgt Ascencion Gomez, D.S.L.
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as long as it's behind closed doors... SFC learn to live with it and take charge of his family too.
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LtCol Mac McCarty
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GySgt Ascencion Gomez, D.S.L. - Absolutely, Gunny. And you and the First Sergeant have a right and responsibility to mention it to the Company Commander (I'm assuming the Captain was the Skipper) in the "Hey, Sir, let us take care of your NCO problems and we'll give you a company ready for the field" sort of way. I once forgot to ask First Sergeant Laws for his input on an Office Hours. His "Aye, aye Sir......But ya know Skipper, even the WORST Marine is right sometimes." got my attention a lot faster than the "write it down and fill out a form and go to the Inspector and cry a little" nonsense that appears to be the 2016 plan of the day. Semper Fi, Gunny. I'll bet we would have had some fun together.
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MSG Special Forces Senior Sergeant
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Is the SFC a POS? Is he a terrible NCO? Sometimes the truth hurts and it sound bad. But If said dude DOES suck at life, his 1SG should be the one destroying him. I don't think a captain would still standing if she said those things to me... Just saying.
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CPL Kevin Carns
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This sounds like my ex-wife, but she made Major a couple years ago... This is 1SG business in the opinion of this former Jr NCO.
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SGM Erik Marquez
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As a junior enlisted where that officer has no actual ability to affect me or my job assuming they weren't my chain of command I'd suggest ignoring it and understanding their are crazy people in all walks of life.

If that officer directly or indirectly affected my position duty or service

I give the chain of command a chance to deal with it

If I was a senior noncommissioned officer and an officer of any rank pull that
I would likely jump a few steps in the chain of command and go see a brigade or division CSM and commander team
Requesting both presents

Briefing them on the situation and then asking them to bring the offending officer in so that all four parties are in the same room and there would be no he said she said

Let that officer defend their actions publicly and in front of their boss
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