Posted on Mar 15, 2016
Should I report unprofessional behavior through the Chain of Command or an IG complaint?
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Thank you,
-RP Staff
Recently was involved in an one way exchange with a CPT in which she directed towards a Senior NCO (SFC) in a derogatory, belittling and denigrating expressing her personal feelings toward such SFC. Since this is to get get a general consensus of what should be done, I would like to leave out names and places out but can include that the CPT's comments towards the SFC included: "you are a sorry a$$ excuse of an NCO", " you are the biggest piece of $hit I know" and continued to go on not just about such Senior NCO but included the family members.
Considering that if this was a lower to an NCO doing this, the Soldier would be crucified. If this was an NCO to an officer?, someone would be out of a job.
I heard one day that the moment you lose your bearing you lost the argument. So the SFC did the right thing by keeping professionally quiet and bringing up to the supervisor. Situation is now: such CPT has gone around telling Soldiers how "she ripped in to this SFC with a grin"...
What would be some appropriate ways to handle this situation?
Thank you,
-RP Staff
Recently was involved in an one way exchange with a CPT in which she directed towards a Senior NCO (SFC) in a derogatory, belittling and denigrating expressing her personal feelings toward such SFC. Since this is to get get a general consensus of what should be done, I would like to leave out names and places out but can include that the CPT's comments towards the SFC included: "you are a sorry a$$ excuse of an NCO", " you are the biggest piece of $hit I know" and continued to go on not just about such Senior NCO but included the family members.
Considering that if this was a lower to an NCO doing this, the Soldier would be crucified. If this was an NCO to an officer?, someone would be out of a job.
I heard one day that the moment you lose your bearing you lost the argument. So the SFC did the right thing by keeping professionally quiet and bringing up to the supervisor. Situation is now: such CPT has gone around telling Soldiers how "she ripped in to this SFC with a grin"...
What would be some appropriate ways to handle this situation?
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What does a three year in the Army CPT know. Exactly!! Call this retired MSG and I'll tell you what you don't know!!
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I'd knock her teeth out. Say what you will about me, but my family will get you hurt. She wants to be equal; make her equal.
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I believe that all problems, regardless of rank, should be handled at the lowest level possible from the start. Go through the COC to start with and then if there is no resolution to the problem, then you can consider talking with JAG or with IG. Superiors both Officer and NCO alike tend to get upset when their subordinates go over their head without following their proper COC. Just my opinion on the matter.
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It's been awhile since I wore the olive drab, but I've seen this before. SGT tells CSM, who goes to the section officer (a MAJ) who calls the CPT in the office and proceeds to chew butt behind closed doors about his shortcomings. CSM makes sure the SGT doesn't have to drive CPT around anymore. CSM turns to the PV2 (me) and makes me the CPT's new driver. He pulls the same crap with me so I go to the CSM and the process repeats itself. MAJ makes life difficult for CPT. Not sure what he did, but within a month the CPT resigned his commission. Chain of command, THEN IG.
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Ok.. Probably not professional of him to do that but..... Let's be honest this nco probably wasn't the hard dick platoon Sgt you'd want leading your son/daughter spouse into battle. There's more to this. Any nco I'd respect would fire back with borderline shit that'd be disrespectful yet true. Fuck this nco and Cpt move on
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Well... If this is bothering you enough to post this here and are seriously acting on advice given... Then here's my two cents. Talk to that senior about it. Express your concerns about how it affects you and the other soldiers. If the senior NCO seems unwilling to take any action then express to that senior NCO that you wish to go to the CSM and talk about it. Once you've gone to your CSM and hashed out with him... That's it ! you need not do anymore. If it continues... convince another NCO or soldier that's privy to this to go to the CSM. The point I'm trying to make here is ... It's an NCO/officer issue and you should,d take it up to the most senior NCO (CSM ) so he can hash it out with the most senior officer in that unit (usually a LTC). Chain of command.... Use it.
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Chain of command. I would imagine that higher is likely aware of said CPT's behavior already and may be documenting it. I have never seen an IG complaint end well ever. The ones I saw ended with strict SOP's (i.e. stupid games) and an angry head shed.
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I would have stood up and told that POG officer to fucking check herself. I don't give a damn. The minute she started demeaning that NCO by calling him shit, all gloves are off at that point. I've delt with poor leadership as a senior NCO for two decades and if I'm right about my position than that officer better come prepared. I'm so glad I'm out. The military has just gone to shit since I retired. Those that haven't done the time to see the change since the late 90s will never know what the Army was like then compared to now. Yes war changed things but we produced soldiers to rapidly during that time and quality definitely suffered on enlisted and commissioned sides.
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