Posted on Mar 15, 2016
Should I report unprofessional behavior through the Chain of Command or an IG complaint?
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Thank you,
-RP Staff
Recently was involved in an one way exchange with a CPT in which she directed towards a Senior NCO (SFC) in a derogatory, belittling and denigrating expressing her personal feelings toward such SFC. Since this is to get get a general consensus of what should be done, I would like to leave out names and places out but can include that the CPT's comments towards the SFC included: "you are a sorry a$$ excuse of an NCO", " you are the biggest piece of $hit I know" and continued to go on not just about such Senior NCO but included the family members.
Considering that if this was a lower to an NCO doing this, the Soldier would be crucified. If this was an NCO to an officer?, someone would be out of a job.
I heard one day that the moment you lose your bearing you lost the argument. So the SFC did the right thing by keeping professionally quiet and bringing up to the supervisor. Situation is now: such CPT has gone around telling Soldiers how "she ripped in to this SFC with a grin"...
What would be some appropriate ways to handle this situation?
Thank you,
-RP Staff
Recently was involved in an one way exchange with a CPT in which she directed towards a Senior NCO (SFC) in a derogatory, belittling and denigrating expressing her personal feelings toward such SFC. Since this is to get get a general consensus of what should be done, I would like to leave out names and places out but can include that the CPT's comments towards the SFC included: "you are a sorry a$$ excuse of an NCO", " you are the biggest piece of $hit I know" and continued to go on not just about such Senior NCO but included the family members.
Considering that if this was a lower to an NCO doing this, the Soldier would be crucified. If this was an NCO to an officer?, someone would be out of a job.
I heard one day that the moment you lose your bearing you lost the argument. So the SFC did the right thing by keeping professionally quiet and bringing up to the supervisor. Situation is now: such CPT has gone around telling Soldiers how "she ripped in to this SFC with a grin"...
What would be some appropriate ways to handle this situation?
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There is no excuse for such poor conduct, I have worked for very senior officers and they would not tolerate it. They apreciated the NCO corps way too much. As Squadron Chief, I would have a heart to heart conversation with that officer and if necessary ensure that leadership take the necessary steps against the Captain. My recommendation would be for the SFC to bring it up to their SGM. Disparaging the family is off limits!!!!
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This needs to be resolved quickly. These type of situations can divide the company/section into several different groups. Report this to the next higher and dig in. I hope both soldiers get what they deserve.
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There are always two sides to a story, and somewhere in there is the truth. At the end of the day, if the CPT continues in such a manner, she will not have the support of her senior NCO's, will eventually do something stupid again, and be left out to hang. We as NCOs are tasked with training our junior officers. Handle it at the lowest level. Privately talk and give new perspective to the JO which helps shape them for success moving forward and leaves them appreciating the advice their NCOs have to offer. If it doesn’t work, then go the IG route, because talking that way about a person's family is way off the reservation.
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If I was that NCO, I would take the "butt chewing" until when that CPT talk about family members. Right then and there, that CPT cross the line and I would turn around and give that CPT an butt chewing the NCO way telling that CPT do not ever talk about my family members, I would not stand for it period. Do not care what rank you are. You can say anything about me, but family members is way off limits. I would also bring this up to my COC (1st line supervisor, PSG, 1SGT, Company CDR) ASAP. I also agree with Col Joseph Lenertz
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Firstly, a junior or for that matter any officer shows disrespect to themselves and their troops by chewing out a senior noncom in public. Secondly, I don't know why an SSG would need advise on this matter as most I have known would have been sitting across from the Commander or Sgt Major asap on this issue. Lastly, families are out of bounds regardless of feelings toward an individual and she the Captain is lucky the individual retained their professional composure unlike her and didn't clock her ass.
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COC. Will need the CSM and BC to mediate. What the heck is the 1SG doing? I find it hard to believe he/she would let this dirty laundry out of the company AO. Family should always be off limits. Devil's advocate, is the senior NCO good to go? It seems like the CO might have been tolerant up to a point and then blew up. Still not a reason to involve the family or belittle the NCO.
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That's a pretty poor leader. CoC should definitely be utilized first to try to handle this at the lowest level possible. That is absolutely unprofessional and she is way out of line.
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