Posted on Mar 15, 2016
SSG Carlos Madden
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Thank you,
-RP Staff

Recently was involved in an one way exchange with a CPT in which she directed towards a Senior NCO (SFC) in a derogatory, belittling and denigrating expressing her personal feelings toward such SFC. Since this is to get get a general consensus of what should be done, I would like to leave out names and places out but can include that the CPT's comments towards the SFC included: "you are a sorry a$$ excuse of an NCO", " you are the biggest piece of $hit I know" and continued to go on not just about such Senior NCO but included the family members.

Considering that if this was a lower to an NCO doing this, the Soldier would be crucified. If this was an NCO to an officer?, someone would be out of a job.

I heard one day that the moment you lose your bearing you lost the argument. So the SFC did the right thing by keeping professionally quiet and bringing up to the supervisor. Situation is now: such CPT has gone around telling Soldiers how "she ripped in to this SFC with a grin"...

What would be some appropriate ways to handle this situation?
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CWO3 Luis Cruz
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Definitely a punishable offense under the UCMJ, I would have recommended Court Martial and NOT article 15.
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CWO3 Luis Cruz
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Please note an officer occupies a position of special trust and confidence, more is expected of him or her. Expressing herself openly about a senior NCO opens a can of worms under article 138.
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SSG Small Arms/Artillery Repairer
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Does the CPT have an approachable boss? The question I am asking myself is what is wrong with her? I have ripped into Soldiers but it stays there and to include family is disgracefully unprofessional. I know that the officer corps is far from perfect but this does have to be dealt with or it does not stop, let your nco support channel know you are going to IG if she does not have a boss to put her in line and go from there.
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PO3 Brett White
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Must be a bigger difference in times than I thought. When I was in, early-mid 90's, I observed a few Chiefs (E7) make a Lt. (O3), back pedal. The O1-O3 ranks would have VERY seldom, if ever, thought about trying to dress down a E7-E9!
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1SG Mobilization Nco
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Well first off, in respect to Unit Command Team working together to be an effective Command; I would have spoken to the Cpt offline and explain to her that she has created doubt in her ability to lead. Calling a SENIOR NCO in her unit clearly show toxic leadership. I will get back to this part later.

Next I would speak with the SENIOR NCO and ask him if he thinks she was right in which she did, and let him know that what took place was WRONG, plan and simple. And that I have spoken with her about her conduct, and that I will be speaking with BN Command Team about the incident. I would have him write out a detailed statement of what happened.

Then I would address the Unit as a whole squash any animosity toward my Cpt. Because unit cohesion is more important that personal pride.

As a leader, you have to remember that Soldier will NOT forget a Cpt berating a SENIOR NCO. Not to mention any fallout that may come from it. Could you imagine all the Soldiers undermining that SENIOR NCO and Cpt authority? It would be total chaos.

This is how would handle this situation if this happened in my unit.
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SPC Charlie Msrtin
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Chain of command needs to be utilized. The SFC needs to admit to any errors in his/her judgement/actions. IG should only be a last resort
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MSgt Repair & Reclamation Section Chief
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If this was done in open forum than it needs to be reported. That is unacceptable no matter what the captain needs to be put in check.
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PO2 Carl Slaubaugh
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as a veteran myself, I would recommend you go to the CPT's superior.. privately and let him/her know what happened.. there may be circumstances that you may be unaware about, training, disrespect..etc.. let them know that it troubled you, and that is why you went to them. Respectfully, and with tact, let them know that if something isn't done to ensure this CPT isn't straightened out, you will continue to take it up the chain until its resolved. This does 2 things. 1. it keeps you from looking like you went around the "chain of command" (chain of command is vital in the military) and 2. Shows the CPT's boss that you are serious and want action. However, you going straight to the IG would diminish anything that the chain can do and bring in an outside entity into problems of your command that could possibly be handled within house..
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PVT Ryan P. Quirk
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Report her dumb ass.. Or drop her name and unit here and Ill give her a piece of my mind. As I am sure there are a lot of others who would do the same.
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SFC(P) Platoon Sergeant
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Not much of an Senior NCO.I would have taken her Ass outside and finished the discussion.
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MSgt Chris Chambre
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Any "leader" that disrespects a link in the chain in front of others like that does not have the temperament to be entrusted with the sons and daughters of America.
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