Posted on Mar 15, 2016
Should I report unprofessional behavior through the Chain of Command or an IG complaint?
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Thank you,
-RP Staff
Recently was involved in an one way exchange with a CPT in which she directed towards a Senior NCO (SFC) in a derogatory, belittling and denigrating expressing her personal feelings toward such SFC. Since this is to get get a general consensus of what should be done, I would like to leave out names and places out but can include that the CPT's comments towards the SFC included: "you are a sorry a$$ excuse of an NCO", " you are the biggest piece of $hit I know" and continued to go on not just about such Senior NCO but included the family members.
Considering that if this was a lower to an NCO doing this, the Soldier would be crucified. If this was an NCO to an officer?, someone would be out of a job.
I heard one day that the moment you lose your bearing you lost the argument. So the SFC did the right thing by keeping professionally quiet and bringing up to the supervisor. Situation is now: such CPT has gone around telling Soldiers how "she ripped in to this SFC with a grin"...
What would be some appropriate ways to handle this situation?
Thank you,
-RP Staff
Recently was involved in an one way exchange with a CPT in which she directed towards a Senior NCO (SFC) in a derogatory, belittling and denigrating expressing her personal feelings toward such SFC. Since this is to get get a general consensus of what should be done, I would like to leave out names and places out but can include that the CPT's comments towards the SFC included: "you are a sorry a$$ excuse of an NCO", " you are the biggest piece of $hit I know" and continued to go on not just about such Senior NCO but included the family members.
Considering that if this was a lower to an NCO doing this, the Soldier would be crucified. If this was an NCO to an officer?, someone would be out of a job.
I heard one day that the moment you lose your bearing you lost the argument. So the SFC did the right thing by keeping professionally quiet and bringing up to the supervisor. Situation is now: such CPT has gone around telling Soldiers how "she ripped in to this SFC with a grin"...
What would be some appropriate ways to handle this situation?
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Berating is never a good way to solve a problem. I don't have the luxury of having all the facts; however, as an NCO, you always pull the troop off to the side and talk. You don't berate, you talk. You certainly don't go around afterwards and tell everyone what happened. The SFC probably has more time on leave than the CPT has in the Army. I'm normally not one to ask for one; but, she should have to issue an apology to the SFC and all those she bragged to should be there to bare witness.
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This is not an IG issue. If the CPT is approachable, it would be perfectly OK to discuss it with that CPT, but the SFC should probably do so not in public and in the presence of the 1SG or CSM. Generally, the CSM will have a calming influence.
The SFC should exhaust CoC and NCO support channels before escalating. If the CPT is the SFC's CO, then the next recourse is Article 138. The SFC must use some discretion and should consult legal assistance prior to doing so. If there is no violation of the law, no pattern of cruelty, no basis for EEOC violation, no provocation (getting dressed down isn't provocation), etc. it will likely be dealt with informally. It's not against the law to be an asshole.
The SFC should exhaust CoC and NCO support channels before escalating. If the CPT is the SFC's CO, then the next recourse is Article 138. The SFC must use some discretion and should consult legal assistance prior to doing so. If there is no violation of the law, no pattern of cruelty, no basis for EEOC violation, no provocation (getting dressed down isn't provocation), etc. it will likely be dealt with informally. It's not against the law to be an asshole.
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The SFC should go speak with her Commanding Officer. That is conduct unbecoming of an Officer. If she denied it, witnesses could be brought in. This should take care of the immediate problem. Secondly, If she is in charge of that NCO, he will need to moved.
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My first and foremost issues is that its done in font of soldiers and junior NCO's. That def not needed and should be expressed in a private forum amongst peers. I don't need your opinions or thoughts affecting my soldiers view of there senior. At least not at that level. As Col Joseph Lenertz stated and I whole heartedly agree with him.
But disrespect is disrespect no matter what level. I wont degrade my soldiers, I might chew them a new one here or there but its in a refined setting mostly between just us and no others around.
But disrespect is disrespect no matter what level. I wont degrade my soldiers, I might chew them a new one here or there but its in a refined setting mostly between just us and no others around.
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Had a company commander that was one of the biggest PoS there was. It was always about him. If something did not go his way he acted like a 5 year old brat. Was forever cussing out the NCOs. It was hard to respect the rank when you could not respect the man wearing it. My CO and this one forget the basic rule about chewing out in private.
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I have one question, was this Captain the Company Commander for the SFC? To answer your question definitely chain of command then if no satisfactory action is taken, go to the IG.
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Was this in your CoC? If yes, take it up both the CoC and NCO support channel. Let your 1SG and CSM know what you witnessed. The will get with the SFC in question and get the CPT's Commander involved. If this doesn't work go to the IG. At a minimum you witnessed Conduct Unbecomming an Officer.
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