Posted on Mar 15, 2016
Should I report unprofessional behavior through the Chain of Command or an IG complaint?
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Thank you,
-RP Staff
Recently was involved in an one way exchange with a CPT in which she directed towards a Senior NCO (SFC) in a derogatory, belittling and denigrating expressing her personal feelings toward such SFC. Since this is to get get a general consensus of what should be done, I would like to leave out names and places out but can include that the CPT's comments towards the SFC included: "you are a sorry a$$ excuse of an NCO", " you are the biggest piece of $hit I know" and continued to go on not just about such Senior NCO but included the family members.
Considering that if this was a lower to an NCO doing this, the Soldier would be crucified. If this was an NCO to an officer?, someone would be out of a job.
I heard one day that the moment you lose your bearing you lost the argument. So the SFC did the right thing by keeping professionally quiet and bringing up to the supervisor. Situation is now: such CPT has gone around telling Soldiers how "she ripped in to this SFC with a grin"...
What would be some appropriate ways to handle this situation?
Thank you,
-RP Staff
Recently was involved in an one way exchange with a CPT in which she directed towards a Senior NCO (SFC) in a derogatory, belittling and denigrating expressing her personal feelings toward such SFC. Since this is to get get a general consensus of what should be done, I would like to leave out names and places out but can include that the CPT's comments towards the SFC included: "you are a sorry a$$ excuse of an NCO", " you are the biggest piece of $hit I know" and continued to go on not just about such Senior NCO but included the family members.
Considering that if this was a lower to an NCO doing this, the Soldier would be crucified. If this was an NCO to an officer?, someone would be out of a job.
I heard one day that the moment you lose your bearing you lost the argument. So the SFC did the right thing by keeping professionally quiet and bringing up to the supervisor. Situation is now: such CPT has gone around telling Soldiers how "she ripped in to this SFC with a grin"...
What would be some appropriate ways to handle this situation?
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If you really want justice ...simply "out soldier" the officer in question. Begin by always leading by example ...a true leader doesn't make anyone do anything; (s)he inspires others to want to complete the job at hand. With regard to CoC vs IG, Managers do things the right way ...Leaders do the right thing.
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Written report should go to the CPT chain of command and to the IG. This was unprofessional, and if done in public view of others - unwarranted. Conduct unbecoming in my opinion. Just because she is an officer, she is not right in this instance.
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Short and sweet, leave family out and keep the argument private SFC /CPT don't make a show no matter who has the reason
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There are several good responses and solutions below. Yes, even if the NCO had royally screwed up, the officer was totally out of line in what she did. I'll use my own father as a better way to handle it. He was a USAF CMSgt and 1 of his airmen told my sister, "I really screwed up and your dad had me into his office. He never raised his voice, he never cursed, and he never insulted me; but I knew I had been royally chewed out." He became a better airman for it and he still respected my dad as well.
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This happens all to often with who are power hungry. The way I'd handle this is to get the individual alone and have a talk with them. A talk not an argument, because even senior NCO's don't win arguments with officers. A leader who leads through fear and intimidation is no leader. If the talk did not help or stop it then taking up the support chain would be the next step. The part about the family fortunately I never had to deal with, because I don't know how I would have handled it .
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If it goes through the chain of command wouldn't have to go through the same commander also.
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It works like this
Sir / Ma'am. it your prerogative to relieve me of my duties at your digression. Other wise this conversation will not take place here and now. We can make arraignments to have this conversation take place in-front of my senior NCO leadership and your Commander. You have a good day Sir/Ma'am.
Used it multiple times in my carrier. Usually had cooler heads prevailed end up with an apology and four friends that I count to this day with my back.
Sir / Ma'am. it your prerogative to relieve me of my duties at your digression. Other wise this conversation will not take place here and now. We can make arraignments to have this conversation take place in-front of my senior NCO leadership and your Commander. You have a good day Sir/Ma'am.
Used it multiple times in my carrier. Usually had cooler heads prevailed end up with an apology and four friends that I count to this day with my back.
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when an officer becomes belligerent and unprofessional, that certain officer loses the confidence of the troops, specially if the officer is in a leadership position. We have to think about the mental actitude of the officer. Is the officer frame of mind set to belittle all the NCO's ? or this officer feels that since the officer is not college educated(I imagine) , that will give her a sense of superiority over the troops that did not completed college. finally, if said officer lost her bearing as a leader, and lost the confidence of the NCO's then that officer should be remove from her leadership position.
P.D family should be sacred and should always be respected by anybody in the service regardless of rank.. I know of many officers as well as enlisted soldiers who got their ass kick for being disrespectful towards family of fellow soldiers.
P.D family should be sacred and should always be respected by anybody in the service regardless of rank.. I know of many officers as well as enlisted soldiers who got their ass kick for being disrespectful towards family of fellow soldiers.
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During my time in the Navy, a chief, senior chief, or master chief would've been wearing that particular officers skin as a coat. Not sure of the particulars of how it got started, but family members are off limits. Officer or not, I would've had to squash that out quickly.
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Always through the chain of command first...then if you really honestly believe you have been treated un fairly then go to the IG's office.
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Perhaps it was failure of the Officer's leadership and lack of respect for the SFC. Belittling a Soldier or any Family members is a NO GO. The CPT could have spoken to the SFC with respect, and in professional manner but this was not the case. The SFC should seek out the professional advice of the CSM and perhaps the CSM could correct the issue on the spot with the help of the XO, the BN or BDE CDR.
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That Officer should be given the same punishment as any other soldiers. She's not only Unbecoming of a Soldier, unprofessional and a Horrible, Horrible supposed too be Leader. And she's still in a leadership position responsible for soldiers, mentally, physically and emotional well being too insure that her NCO. Continually to have a great mindset to take care and trained his Surbordinates. Without having to worry St the same time about his Family's Well Being. Its obvious that there's a problem in that Command, since this unnamed officer has not called forward to Stand on the Famous Red Carpet. I would have A Brigade or Battion Meeting or where ever this unprofessional incident took place. And administer Punishment and let all of the Young Officers know that you have no right to try too destroy a persons career. And start Chapter proceedings on this Nut Job. Just unfreaking believable.
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Time to talk to the First Sergeant who should talk to the Captain behind closed ( which the CPT should of had the leadership to do) the First Seegeant should tell the CPT the errors of her way.
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I would push this up the chain of command first and if it doesn't get taken care of then ad only then would I go to IG about it.
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Highly in professional on the CPTs part. We have given and received ass chewings, but it was and should be related to the task that was failed. It should never be a personal attack. We all make mistakes and we all screw up, but that does not justify a public personal attack. CPT watch out the IG may want to talk to you.
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