Posted on Mar 15, 2016
Should I report unprofessional behavior through the Chain of Command or an IG complaint?
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Thank you,
-RP Staff
Recently was involved in an one way exchange with a CPT in which she directed towards a Senior NCO (SFC) in a derogatory, belittling and denigrating expressing her personal feelings toward such SFC. Since this is to get get a general consensus of what should be done, I would like to leave out names and places out but can include that the CPT's comments towards the SFC included: "you are a sorry a$$ excuse of an NCO", " you are the biggest piece of $hit I know" and continued to go on not just about such Senior NCO but included the family members.
Considering that if this was a lower to an NCO doing this, the Soldier would be crucified. If this was an NCO to an officer?, someone would be out of a job.
I heard one day that the moment you lose your bearing you lost the argument. So the SFC did the right thing by keeping professionally quiet and bringing up to the supervisor. Situation is now: such CPT has gone around telling Soldiers how "she ripped in to this SFC with a grin"...
What would be some appropriate ways to handle this situation?
Thank you,
-RP Staff
Recently was involved in an one way exchange with a CPT in which she directed towards a Senior NCO (SFC) in a derogatory, belittling and denigrating expressing her personal feelings toward such SFC. Since this is to get get a general consensus of what should be done, I would like to leave out names and places out but can include that the CPT's comments towards the SFC included: "you are a sorry a$$ excuse of an NCO", " you are the biggest piece of $hit I know" and continued to go on not just about such Senior NCO but included the family members.
Considering that if this was a lower to an NCO doing this, the Soldier would be crucified. If this was an NCO to an officer?, someone would be out of a job.
I heard one day that the moment you lose your bearing you lost the argument. So the SFC did the right thing by keeping professionally quiet and bringing up to the supervisor. Situation is now: such CPT has gone around telling Soldiers how "she ripped in to this SFC with a grin"...
What would be some appropriate ways to handle this situation?
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Disrespecting an NCO is inexcusable. I would utilize the NCO support channel and allow the CSM to advise the CoC. Then everyone needs to let it go and move on. dwelling on something said out of frustration and anger will cause negative results.
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As a senior NCO, I would hope the troops supported him. Officers in good standing know who teaches the troops. If the troops agree with the "O", then they let it happen. If the troops support the SNSO, they should have stood behond him/her. If that was the case the SNCO would have no reason to file a complaint. I have had "O"s who hated the SNCO, but remained professional, just as an SNCO should back the "O" regardless of opinion. NCO' should not report in "O"' unless a career is in jeopardy.
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Go to the CO, tell him/her what you witnessed and express your disappointment. I did the same as a Marine Corporal when on active duty, I got the results I expected, the Captain was hauled onto the carpet and I was never involved after seeing the CO.
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Chain of Command first and if that didn't work, definitely be a legitimate IG complaint.
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Marine corps way . School circle quarter deck and there would be an a$$ woopin. Problem solved
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Always start with the chain of command. Do what your rank can afford. If all else fails and there is still a problem then IG, but they can only recommend a solution from what I understand
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If you really want justice ...simply "out soldier" the officer in question. Begin by always leading by example ...a true leader doesn't make anyone do anything; (s)he inspires others to want to complete the job at hand. With regard to CoC vs IG, Managers do things the right way ...Leaders do the right thing.
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Written report should go to the CPT chain of command and to the IG. This was unprofessional, and if done in public view of others - unwarranted. Conduct unbecoming in my opinion. Just because she is an officer, she is not right in this instance.
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Short and sweet, leave family out and keep the argument private SFC /CPT don't make a show no matter who has the reason
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There are several good responses and solutions below. Yes, even if the NCO had royally screwed up, the officer was totally out of line in what she did. I'll use my own father as a better way to handle it. He was a USAF CMSgt and 1 of his airmen told my sister, "I really screwed up and your dad had me into his office. He never raised his voice, he never cursed, and he never insulted me; but I knew I had been royally chewed out." He became a better airman for it and he still respected my dad as well.
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This happens all to often with who are power hungry. The way I'd handle this is to get the individual alone and have a talk with them. A talk not an argument, because even senior NCO's don't win arguments with officers. A leader who leads through fear and intimidation is no leader. If the talk did not help or stop it then taking up the support chain would be the next step. The part about the family fortunately I never had to deal with, because I don't know how I would have handled it .
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If it goes through the chain of command wouldn't have to go through the same commander also.
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It works like this
Sir / Ma'am. it your prerogative to relieve me of my duties at your digression. Other wise this conversation will not take place here and now. We can make arraignments to have this conversation take place in-front of my senior NCO leadership and your Commander. You have a good day Sir/Ma'am.
Used it multiple times in my carrier. Usually had cooler heads prevailed end up with an apology and four friends that I count to this day with my back.
Sir / Ma'am. it your prerogative to relieve me of my duties at your digression. Other wise this conversation will not take place here and now. We can make arraignments to have this conversation take place in-front of my senior NCO leadership and your Commander. You have a good day Sir/Ma'am.
Used it multiple times in my carrier. Usually had cooler heads prevailed end up with an apology and four friends that I count to this day with my back.
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when an officer becomes belligerent and unprofessional, that certain officer loses the confidence of the troops, specially if the officer is in a leadership position. We have to think about the mental actitude of the officer. Is the officer frame of mind set to belittle all the NCO's ? or this officer feels that since the officer is not college educated(I imagine) , that will give her a sense of superiority over the troops that did not completed college. finally, if said officer lost her bearing as a leader, and lost the confidence of the NCO's then that officer should be remove from her leadership position.
P.D family should be sacred and should always be respected by anybody in the service regardless of rank.. I know of many officers as well as enlisted soldiers who got their ass kick for being disrespectful towards family of fellow soldiers.
P.D family should be sacred and should always be respected by anybody in the service regardless of rank.. I know of many officers as well as enlisted soldiers who got their ass kick for being disrespectful towards family of fellow soldiers.
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