Posted on Sep 4, 2016
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/navy-sailor-sits-national-anthem/index.html

I know many even wondered why I asked this question. I knew it was going to be a matter of time. I hope justice is served to this Sailor.

Here is another protest during the reciting of the Pledge of Allegiance. By a State Senator, no less.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/16/missouri-state-senator-sits-during-pledge-allegiance.html
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SFC George Smith
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they have a sworn Duty to support and defend... nit turn their backs...
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1SG Vet Technician
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If you are not in uniform, yes. However, I believe it is required by military regulation to do so in uniform. AR 600-20 or 600-25 if I recall correctly
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I will mention that I, personally, would show appropriate courtesy in our or out of uniform
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PO3 Andrew Kelly
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I have addressed this on other related questions. While in uniform you accept as part of your responsibilities some limits to your constitutional rights, especially the !st Amendment. As a member of any of the services you are obligated to render honors to the colors and to the nation anthem. Once you retire or otherwise set aside the uniform you are free to do as you wish and I will defend your right to do so even if I do not agree with you, until then I and the military expect you on your feet and rendering honors with your comrades.
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CAPT Kevin B.
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OK, here's the rub. If you're active, you're subject to UCMJ 24/7 in or out of uniform. So if the order is you will at all times render proper honors in/out of uniform, easy. If you are Reserve/Guard not in a drill or active status AND wearing the uniform, they can nail you. It has more to do with making political statements in public while in uniform, brings discredit, etc. However, if you're not in uniform doing it, there isn't any tie to UCMJ, hence no direct action. So that leaves the issue of indirect action. Danger close on that one can get the Service in trouble by improperly acting. The JAG would tell you to lay off. PAO will tell you to lay off. Like football, three things can happen, and two of them are bad for the Service.

I had a Reserve SM transferred into my Command without my knowledge. Two days later, he put on the uniform and joined protesters at his Congressman's local office and looked great on the 6 o'clock news. Needless to say, the process to resolve his butt out was pretty easy.

Disrespect for the flag and other things tell me a lot about the SM that lowers my desire to have that person covering my six. A deeper look will show other things which are better suited to nail them on their Eval that the JAG and PAO won't care about. Consider their action a symptom of something more problematical.
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PO3 Christopher Jonah Nelson
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The problem with specific incident is that she did it explicitly for political attention, while on a military base, while subject to the UCMJ. While I can see not wanting to restrict her freedom of expression, she's bound by a higher standard because of her position, and she's violated the UCMJ, which requires action, even if it's just 45/45.
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SPC Bob Vidovich
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Should not be able to make political statement of any kind.
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SFC Don Vance
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Hell No!! You swore an Oath of Enlistment and that Oath gives you rights under the UCMJ. You don't have constitutional rights as civilians do!! The "sailor" should be court martialed and dishonorably discharged from the service!! Her current Chain of Command that has chosen not to should all be booted along with her. They're as much of a disgrace as she is!!!
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SSgt Jim Gilmore
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You're poll is a bit skewed as it does not mention if personnel are both in and out of uniform. My response is if you are carrying an ID that indicates you are attached to the military as Active, Guard, Reserve, etc. You do NOT have a Constitutional right to "sit" during the National Anthem. We are all aware there are a number of things you can and cannot do as a military member. This falls into that category.

Additionally, as a DAV, I will state that morons like Kaepernick have a right to protest any damn thing they want to protest. That said, his decision to "sit" is a slap in the face of every man and woman to wear the uniform of the United States and tantamount to pissing on the graves of those who bled and died for the USA.
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Vance Frickey
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I do question the NFL's action against a player who altered the cleats on his uniform shoes to honor the 9/11 victims, while giving Kaepernick a stage for his dumb theatrics. While, arguably, cleats are safety equipment, NFL's sending a bad message by punishing one player and not sanctioning another for acts of political self-expression.
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SFC Daniel McIntire
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NO! Every soldier, sailor, and airman have been instructed to show respect to the flag and country. Standing and saluting (especially when in uniform) when the national anthem is showing respect that is taught and re-enforced during basic training. If you, as an individual, want to disagree with the situation in hand, fine and continue your duty! However, continue to show respect!
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SSG Squad Leader
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Your personal beliefs were issued to you the day you swore in and they do not include protesting the National Anthem or the Stars and Stripes.
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Jamie Barnett
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I suppose the right is there and should be supported, but IMO, you also have the right to make a really stupid and short-sighted statement. I've raised my son to stand, even when his friends don't (he's nine and knows better) and will politely and rationally explain the why behind.
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