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The proliferation of questions about saluting leads to this comment, based on models from the French Foreign Legion and even the Korean Army, where soldiers once saluted all NCOs of a higher rank. If the salute is a form of respect and courtesy, and if NCOs are in fact "officers" without a commission, would such a thing be disruptive, silly, or a new respectful tradition? American Soldiers do, at times, salute NCOs in formations, promotion boards, etc.
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SGM (Join to see) I believe Senior NCOs, E-7 and above, should be saluted. I wouldn't mind juniors were to start saluting us; but I certainly wouldn't expect it as an E-5 unless it became policy. I doubt there would be anyone in a position who would ever have a strong enough belief that an enlisted person should ever be saluted. I personally believe that because of our level of responsibility to our superiors, and due to the hard work it takes for us to get to where we are, we should at some point deserve such a honor rendered at some point in our career. I'm not trying to be disrespectful in any way; but why should a JO who's barely been in since breakfast receive more honors than say a Chief (or equivalent in other services) of 12-years in service, someone who's worked his butt of helping make his DIVOs and the rest of his chain of command look good with his leadership and accomplishments? After all, I know in the Navy, it's the Chief's job to train these officers.
I know I don't always have the most popular opinion on things; but I have always had a unique way of looking at many things. I believe respect goes up and down the chain. I believe the enlisted person should have a chance to have honors, such as salutes, rendered once they have reached a certain point in their career that they've proved their worth to move in to senior leadership. I've seen several Chiefs, Senior Chiefs, and Master Chiefs that I believe should have salutes rendered because of their quality of leadership.
I know I don't always have the most popular opinion on things; but I have always had a unique way of looking at many things. I believe respect goes up and down the chain. I believe the enlisted person should have a chance to have honors, such as salutes, rendered once they have reached a certain point in their career that they've proved their worth to move in to senior leadership. I've seen several Chiefs, Senior Chiefs, and Master Chiefs that I believe should have salutes rendered because of their quality of leadership.
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I would say no because the value added is questionable at best. Besides... NCOs get salutes in formation... and that's where it should stay. My 2 cents
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We were taught that it is not completely unusual for NCOs to salute each other, but it is strictly a matter of personal impetus.
Meanwhile, I salute AD personnel I see in the airport and certain other places, and every passing fire apparatus.
Meanwhile, I salute AD personnel I see in the airport and certain other places, and every passing fire apparatus.
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SGM (Join to see), when I was enlisted, I frequently saluted certain, select NCOs -- usually at a respectable distance, sometimes with as many as 2 fingers....
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1LT William Clardy
Sgt Richard Buckner, are you suggesting that those guys weren't telling me that I was their Number One LT?
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Regulations state that enlist led shall salute officers, I'd salute a junior enlisted if they're a Medal of Honor recipient, otherwise a simple greeting should suffice. Could you imagine all the saluting that would be going on at a training command? My answer is no.
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1LT William Clardy
SCPO Lee Pradia, as I recall, the Medal trumps rank. All ranks are required to salute the Medal of Honor when worn, regardless of the rank of the wearer.
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SGT James Colwell
I completely agree about saluting a CMoH recipient regardless of rank, but I was under the impression it was a tradition and not a regulation. Having said that, I would run all over creation to find one so I COULD salute that person.
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When you board a ship, you salute the Officer of the Deck or his/her representative who is usually a petty officer, as well as other formal situations that it might occur. While the custom of saluting in passing applies to commissioned and warrant officers (and certain civilians such as the President or Secretary of Defense) I can see maybe the unit 1SG or CSM rating a salute upon first meeting. (If it extends to other NCOs it would get awkward as close to half would be NCOs. I think a 1SG and CSM due to their achievements and responsibilities as deserving of a salute.)
I view saluting not a a superior-subordinate thing but more as a fraternal/brotherhood greeting. It just so happens the junior INITIATES the salute, and the senior returns it. In essence BOTH service members are being saluted. They are honoring each other. I teach customs and courtesies to Sea Cadets or Civil Air Patrol cadets I always remind them of that. I also salute Medal of Honor Recipients and recipients of other high awards. I was in uniform at a Memorial Day Service today and saw a person who was a Vietnam combat veteran. i was in uniform; I initiated a salute to him. (He simultaneously saluted me!) Not required but i want to do it. It is our way of acknowledging each others as Armed Forces brothers/sisters-in-arms!
I view saluting not a a superior-subordinate thing but more as a fraternal/brotherhood greeting. It just so happens the junior INITIATES the salute, and the senior returns it. In essence BOTH service members are being saluted. They are honoring each other. I teach customs and courtesies to Sea Cadets or Civil Air Patrol cadets I always remind them of that. I also salute Medal of Honor Recipients and recipients of other high awards. I was in uniform at a Memorial Day Service today and saw a person who was a Vietnam combat veteran. i was in uniform; I initiated a salute to him. (He simultaneously saluted me!) Not required but i want to do it. It is our way of acknowledging each others as Armed Forces brothers/sisters-in-arms!
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There is also the concept of Command Authority vs General Military Authority. As I understand it from writing about the Navy at Pacific Stars and Stripes, the Officer of the Deck is appointed to a position of limited delegated Command Authority.
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