Posted on Feb 19, 2014
Should Officers be allowed to use first names and have hands in pockets around Enlisted Soldiers?
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Not only no but HELL no, as an NCO you should pull that person off to the side and respectfully explain that that does not represent the right image to the troops.
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To answer you question about hands in pockets, no! They shouldn't be allowed to do it period. Whether they are around enlisted soldiers or commissioned officers. AR 670-1 outlines this very clearly. DA PAM 670-1 also clearifies this. As far as first names, I believe it is okay for an officer of equal rank to call another officer by their first name.
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Negative on both accounts...especially if the enlisted are being held to that standard.
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LTC Paul Labrador
Different services have different traditions. Calling a peer or subordinate by his fist name is a tradition in the Army. That may not fly in the Navy which, from what I've seen as an outsider, has a more regimented view regarding separation and interaction of the ranks (and I understand that there may be specific reasons for it). You guys still have separate dining facilities for Officers, NCOs and junior enlisted. That went the way of the Dodo long ago in the Army.
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That first name calling is kinda odd, but for pockets, an enlisted soldier really can't tell an officer that they're "wrong."
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CW2 Timothy Slaght
On the spot corrections can be made by anyone to anyone, but be sure you know what you are talking about, where to find it, and how to say it.
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MSG (Join to see)
SSG (Join to see) - Did you not get the memo? Enlisted scum cannot command the commander. LOL!
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No, I thinks it a form of disrespect to the Uniform and they are setting a bad example for our Soldiers. No, they should be authorized to call each other by their names. Neither should one call the other one (man, bro, chick or guy) for that matter. The only people who call me by my name is my family. I once saw a LTC staff officer with his hands in his pockets. I asked if I could take his photo, he said sure and emailed to my CSM. That officer never again was caught with his hands in his pockets .
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CPT Ahmed Faried
really? He didn't ask why you wanted to take his picture? And I'm sure as a LTC if he wants to put his hands in his pockets (as wrong as it may be) he will do as he wants.
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If you have time to be worrying about whether or not people have their hands in their pockets, you must be neglecting another important part of your job, because you've got way too much time on your hands...
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regulation is regulation in my opinion that is the issue and seems how he is an NCO and it is his job to enforce standards which are also found in regulations
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In the Ward Room, I don't care but when they are among the Juniors they damn well better be setting the example and if they don't I know Damn Sure that the Chief will be happy to enlighten them.
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SFC Cox, if officers are going to breaks regs, it would be better if they didn't do it around junior enlisted soldiers. <div><br></div><div>Our senior NCOs tell us not to call our peers by first name because it's unprofessional, and we've been told since Basic that putting your hands in your pocket makes you a shitbag. So when an officer does these things, which are we supposed to believe: 1) that the officer is an unprofessional shitbag, or 2) that my senior NCOs don't know what they're talking about? For me, that's an easy call to make.</div>
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SPC Thundercloud, I must say you have come to the best conclusion and possibly the best response, that being said you know what right looks like, follow the rules and enforce them, it doesn't matter what rank you are, standards are standards.
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First names, leave it up to the discretion of the officer. I know some raise a stink about it (mostly prior enlisted). Hands in pocket, no way. Politely make the correction and carry on.
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