Posted on Mar 5, 2014
Should Officers be required to have a Specific Degree in order to be commissioned?
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I am noticing an increasing amount of mostly incompetent Officers joining the ranks. I guess part of it has to do with the War but I believe there needs to be a new standard.<br>What I mean is that an individual should only get Commissioned with certain degrees which could translate into a Leadership role.<br>Many moons ago when a person went to College they matured but these days it is basically an extension of High School for most.<br>I know there are many Great Officers out there but it is time to make a more strict standard for being able to Lead.<br>I look forward to many Great responses. Thank You.<br>
Posted 12 y ago
Responses: 30
I don't know about a specific degree to be commissioned but their degree should have somehow prepared them for the position they're put into. When I was a young sailor, we had an ensign (O1) put into the position of Main Propulsion Assistant, basically, in charge of the ship's propulsion division. This, in itself, is not a problem. The problem came from the fact that his degree was in marine biology...the guy knew absolutely NOTHING about engineering or anything mechanical. He lasted less than three months onboard before being reprimanded and transferred to a desk job in the base personnel office in a quite undesirable location overseas.
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Professional Officers aside (Doctors, Lawyers, Nurses, Engineers, etc..), what degree would this be? Most of the officers I served under.... and I hate saying this.... didn't have good degrees. Most of them were liberal arts or humanities... with that said, from my observations, officers don't utilize their college degrees in the Army. My officers (the ones who lead; not the doctors and PA's I worked under) job duties seemed to consist of writing memos, making power points, conducting equipment layouts and every once in a while during deployment "Guest star" on patrols. I was enlisted when I was in the Army. Today I'm only 12 credits shy of my BS in Public Health. The only difference between 23 year old SGT Dave, and 26 year old college senior Suraj Dave, is the ability to write lab reports. If I were to go to OCS (Never going to do it, I enjoy being a civilian) as a college graduate or SGT, I don't believe it would make a difference., intellectually speaking.
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Although I, as former senior NCO would prefer not to go commisioned, unless it was for Warrant Officer (who I believe never should have been Commisione), there were/are some great NCO's that would make good Officers. Their degree would come from the school of hard knocks.
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SSG (Join to see), here's an excellent op-ed in the Wall Street Journal about this topic. While I believe commissioned officers do need a degree, the author makes some valid points.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/military-officers-dont-need-college-degrees [login to see]
http://www.wsj.com/articles/military-officers-dont-need-college-degrees [login to see]
Military Officers Don’t Need College Degrees
In The Wall Street Journal, Benjamin Luxenberg writes that military officers don’t need colleges degrees—there are other ways for candidates to gain the skills they need.
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I think the key is as SGM put it. Help teach. Help lead the leader. Colleges don't train leaders, and maturity is lacking amongst NCOs as frequently as the Os I've not noticed many officers in my units with that problem but when I have I've helped them. I had a 1LT in my last guard unit who was struggling to lead and gain the respect of her seniors. Instead of letting her flop in the wind, I helped her see how to resolve her problems and grow as a leader and an officer. Just because you're an E and they're an O doesn't mean you don't lead them along at times.
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Do what I did and switch over then find it's not as easy as you think lol But seriously, a civilian degree will never equal to Military occupational experience and expertise unless you're medical(pretty much universal).
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SSG (Join to see)
In hind site maybe I should have switched over.
Of course I believe in things and paths happening for a reason.
I would have to say there are more than medical. Of course the Military forces us to remove ourselves from the actual job we came in for as promotions come.
Of course I believe in things and paths happening for a reason.
I would have to say there are more than medical. Of course the Military forces us to remove ourselves from the actual job we came in for as promotions come.
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"I am noticing an increasing amount of mostly incompetent Officers joining the ranks."
The reason this sentence is grammatically incorrect is that "Officers" are plural and countable. Therefore, this sentence should read, "I am noticing an increasing number of mostly incompetent officers joining the ranks."
I also "like" how you randomly capitalize words because you think they denote importance or title.
The reason this sentence is grammatically incorrect is that "Officers" are plural and countable. Therefore, this sentence should read, "I am noticing an increasing number of mostly incompetent officers joining the ranks."
I also "like" how you randomly capitalize words because you think they denote importance or title.
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Almost a year later and this thread has been revived.
I am impressed by the responses.
Thank You All.
I am impressed by the responses.
Thank You All.
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I reported to a capt that had a degree in P.E. I know that's great for training but I'm not sure how it would be for military leadership. Though never having been an officer, I suppose my opinion on the topic is a bit invalid.
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PO2 Skip Kirkwood
Has some possibilities. People with PE degrees usually intended to be teachers and coaches, and success in both of those arenas involves leadership!
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Do you feel that they should have Degrees matching their branch?
Or are you thinking something different?
Should they have an Arts or a Science degree?
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LTC (Join to see)
The Army does not care what your degree is and causes officers to have a branch that does not align with their degree as officers do not get to choose them.
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