Posted on Nov 20, 2019
Should President Trump provide credibility back to UCMJ by charging to start with: Admiral Green, Adm Gilday, Secretary Spencer?
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For dereliction of Duty, Insubordination, and whatever else fits for their efforts to work around the Commander in Chiefs wish for the military.
In my opinion Green should immediately face the maximum reduction in Rank and be dishonorably discharged by President Trump.
In my opinion Green should immediately face the maximum reduction in Rank and be dishonorably discharged by President Trump.
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What he did was unacceptable. The Chief is the leader to follow and what he did clearly was not what you should follow. The President has shown disregard and disrespect for his military leaders and as a result, has opened a door that is dangerous... My opinion...
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Maj Mark Hamilton
And Obama's pardon of the deserter and trading Taliban criminals to get him back is okay. Have some perspective. War is hell. It is kill or be killed. It is stand up for your men. I guarantee if Trump had been president when Benghazzi happene
d he would have sent forces to get them back, even if it was only their bodies. Killary was guilty of murder to our men there. Where's the justice with her.
d he would have sent forces to get them back, even if it was only their bodies. Killary was guilty of murder to our men there. Where's the justice with her.
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I’m not aware of any legal avenue for the President to arbitrarily order the reduction or discharge of a commissioned officer absent a court martial
MAJ Bryan Zeski
CAPT Kevin B. I get that, in some sense. But, you can't say, "We're going to reduce you because in a war we can." - but when we legally don't have a ear going on.
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TSgt Gary McPherson
Then how did OBAMA get away with firing Generals who disagreed with him ??Remember them?They were FIRED with happens all the time.Commanders being removed for lack of confidence and such
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TSgt Gary McPherson being removed from a position and losing rank/being discharged are two wholey separate processes.
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TSgt Gary McPherson oh and if you dig into the facts of that whole “Obama purge” story it turns out to be a bunch of nonsense, easily disproven with a few minutes research.
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Credibility would be back if Trump would stay the hell out of the military ranks... He has already disgraced himself and acted in way unbecoming of any Commander in Chief by calling the Military Leadership, The Chairman of the JCS a bunch of sissy's and cry babies... This draft dodger needs to be impeached for his many crimes... The enabling Senate is afraid of doing their Constitutional DUTY, and are equally cowards...
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SSG Michael Doolittle
The Idea of calling the Chair of the JCS and other Generals "Sissy's & cry babies" is beyond anything I could tolerate in a draft dodging President... I served in Vietnam with a man who rose up to be the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs General John Vessey, he was a most HONORABLE MAN, and certainly no snowflake like Trump and his entire family
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SP6 Christopher Haydon
There are more of us than I imagined. We need keep hammering this home. I was brought up in a family that respected the military, and the role the military plays in society in general. If we allow that role, and the character of the military to be degraded by the actions of an unfit CIC all of society will suffer in this nation.
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SFC David Xanten
888. ART. 88. CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS
Any
commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice
President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military
department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of
any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or
present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
Any
commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice
President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military
department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of
any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or
present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
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Once again he is trying to make law when he has no authority. Pardon, does not reinstate his status as an honorable member of the SEALs. That can only be done bye those who accept individuals in to their organization. Draft Dodgers are no exception.
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The UCMJ was followed to begin with. By reaching down into a military proceeding the way he did and forcing the Navy to allow Galleghar to retire *as a SEAL*, Trump as good as said that this guy is the same as all the other SEAL's & service-members who served with honor and professionalism.
Trump is President and Commander-In-Chief. He is *still* a civilian. His job as CIC is, with the consuiltation of the House & Senate, is to decide whether or not to deploy military force,and where.It is not his job to arbitrarily overrule the results of a properly conducted UCMJ action just because he doesn't like the results. Further, it promotes the idea that the U.S. military can commit war crimes at will and face no repercussions.
This entire situation already has a stain on it because Trump got involved. Trying to "prosecute the prosecutors" would turn a stain into a stank.
Trump is President and Commander-In-Chief. He is *still* a civilian. His job as CIC is, with the consuiltation of the House & Senate, is to decide whether or not to deploy military force,and where.It is not his job to arbitrarily overrule the results of a properly conducted UCMJ action just because he doesn't like the results. Further, it promotes the idea that the U.S. military can commit war crimes at will and face no repercussions.
This entire situation already has a stain on it because Trump got involved. Trying to "prosecute the prosecutors" would turn a stain into a stank.
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John, with all due respect, you are focusing on the innocent instead of the guilty. Punishing any of the courageous people standing up for the military's standards and values - not to mention basic defense of the Geneva Convention - would be a travesty. It was pResident Trump (typo intended) who overturned the rightful UCMJ findings and punishments here. He has caused enough damage in this situation and countless others without adding naked retribution against persons who dare to question his decision-making.
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LT David Schmidt
SFC David Xanten - So, Sarge, you say, "If you don't like him or his policies, resign." Hmmm. So do you mean that 30-50% of our military should resign based on who the CIC is? I'm sure that some didn't like President Obama. I didn't vote for him and disagreed with many of his policies, but I should resign if "I don't like him or his policies." That's NOT AT ALL what UCMJ says. It says "contemptuous words."
I'm glad to see that Google has granted you your JAG credentials. I'd probably tear up that Trump U law degree. Think that you got conned by the con man.
A better idea for you in the future, slick, would be: better to be silent and thought a fool rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
I'm glad to see that Google has granted you your JAG credentials. I'd probably tear up that Trump U law degree. Think that you got conned by the con man.
A better idea for you in the future, slick, would be: better to be silent and thought a fool rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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AN Sam Moring
LT David Schmidt
..and that's the difference between you and me. you are emotional as I'm about facts/proof.
"racist"? bold accusation. you don't have an example w/proof/facts.
do you know the different between legal and illegal?
"bully" haha lmfao..awww..dry your eyes
..and that's the difference between you and me. you are emotional as I'm about facts/proof.
"racist"? bold accusation. you don't have an example w/proof/facts.
do you know the different between legal and illegal?
"bully" haha lmfao..awww..dry your eyes
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SFC David Xanten
LT David Schmidt - Your the one, slick, that needs to think twice about what you say. Your hatred of our President is obvious and that makes you unfit to be an Officer in ANY Branch of our Armed to Services. I don't have to be a JAG official to know that. As far as not saying anything Contemptuou, in addition to being an unworthy POS, you are a liar. Just read your own comments.
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SSG Robert Perrotto
LT David Schmidt - You do know the United States is NOT a signatory of the Geneva Convention,
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For what?
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This "Commander n Chief" needs to take his bone spurs with him and stay out of military matters.
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SFC David Xanten
888. ART. 88. CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS
Any
commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice
President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military
department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of
any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or
present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
Any
commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice
President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military
department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of
any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or
present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
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SFC David Xanten
SFC (Join to see) - Doesn't need top be according to the"new'" changes made to the Article.
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SFC (Join to see)
Are said changes in effect? I only ask because it takes forever to make a change to the MCM but if that’s the case then cool. You’re post didn’t make note of the “new” changes though.SFC David Xanten
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So now you have a micro-managing, draft dodger, Commander in Chief... GOOD LUCK!
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